Anyone here have experience with dwarf boa regurgitation??

[Mikoh4792]

Originally Posted by lady_bug87

I would bet she isn't like that 100% of the time. tree boas spend the majority of the time perching

Perching doesn't make her arboreal most species will do so on occasion. However I would offer an environment where the snake can do both. If you choose to do so you may find the issues disappear

Of course she isn't like that 100% of the time. If you read the post just above yours you will see that I don't mean to call them an arboreal species. However being semi-arboreal, or at least more arboreal then it's bigger counter parts, it doesn't hurt the snake to climb up and rest on a higher level to bask.

Most of the time my snake basks up top, she isn't always "perched" like that green tree python or even in the pic of my own. She just coils up and rests there, and after soaking up the heat she moves down. If she is thermoregulating herself this way, what is the problem?(not with the regurgitation, but more so with the setup I have)

[Aaron_S]

Originally Posted by mikoh4792

Sorry, I never meant to make it seem as though I was trying to promote the idea that Cay Caulkers were an arboreal species. I don't know why you took it like that.

If the boa does go up to perch and bask, and at the right temperatures, could you tell me how the heating isn't working right?

Your snake couldn't digest it's meal. Proof it isn't working right. BCI's, all of them, are pretty hardy eaters. You shouldn't be dealing with issues.

Don't use only parts of your own discussion to try to prove your point.

Also, you did try to say they arboreal. You keep it like you would an arboreal species so I don't see how I'm mistaking anything you say. You're the one who said and did it.

[Aaron_S]

Originally Posted by mikoh4792

Of course she isn't like that 100% of the time. If you read the post just above yours you will see that I don't mean to call them an arboreal species. However being semi-arboreal, or at least more arboreal then it's bigger counter parts, it doesn't hurt the snake to climb up and rest on a higher level to bask.

Most of the time my snake basks up top, she isn't always "perched" like that green tree python or even in the pic of my own. She just coils up and rests there, and after soaking up the heat she moves down. If she is thermoregulating herself this way, what is the problem?(not with the regurgitation, but more so with the setup I have)

So semi-arboreal now? That's what you've gone with? You've taken semi-arboreal and say "hmm...let's take an arboreal enclosure and use that then!" Brilliant.

Semi-arboreal means just use proper height, 6 - 12 inches and place branches in there with the thermoregulation going width and not height. It ISN'T a true arboreal species so height is moot.

The problem with your set up is that IT'S NOT WORKING. Why keep shoving a triangle into a cube hole? It boggles my mind. You've made a mistake and instead of admitting it and correcting it, you're trying to find any other reason for the issue.

I'd suggest giving the snake another way to bask and see which one it chooses. Currently, you've only given it one option and I think that's why you see it as okay...it has to use it or die.

[lady_bug87]

Look, keep it however you want. You asked a question, we answered it. No matter how many times you argue your point it's not going to make it any less wrong.

How do I know its wrong? If it were right she wouldn't upchuck a small meal.

[Mikoh4792]

Originally Posted by Aaron_S

Your snake couldn't digest it's meal. Proof it isn't working right. BCI's, all of them, are pretty hardy eaters. You shouldn't be dealing with issues.

Don't use only parts of your own discussion to try to prove your point.

Also, you did try to say they arboreal. You keep it like you would an arboreal species so I don't see how I'm mistaking anything you say. You're the one who said and did it.

The previous owner did tell me his caulker cay boas were regurgitating so the problem doesn't stem from me. It starts from somewhere else.

Originally Posted by Aaron_S

So semi-arboreal now? That's what you've gone with? You've taken semi-arboreal and say "hmm...let's take an arboreal enclosure and use that then!" Brilliant.

Semi-arboreal means just use proper height, 6 - 12 inches and place branches in there with the thermoregulation going width and not height. It ISN'T a true arboreal species so height is moot.

The problem with your set up is that IT'S NOT WORKING. Why keep shoving a triangle into a cube hole? It boggles my mind. You've made a mistake and instead of admitting it and correcting it, you're trying to find any other reason for the issue.

I'd suggest giving the snake another way to bask and see which one it chooses. Currently, you've only given it one option and I think that's why you see it as okay...it has to use it or die.

Same with any set up. The snake has to use a hotspot or die.

Could you just answer this simple question?

- If my boa is thermoregulating herself, and the temperatures are proper, what is wrong with my enclosure? You say that she is not getting warm enough for food when clearly she is. She goes to bask, where it is 90+ degrees Fahrenheit.

I think you are the one using parts of their own discussion, not me. I have clearly stated time and time again that she gets warm and cool enough.

In your mind I have made a mistake. If you can tell me, after properly reading my posts and seeing that my snake gets the proper temperatures, what the problem is with my setup, I will admit to being incorrect. But please don't make it seem like I am forcing an argument beyond rationale. You just haven't proven me wrong yet.

[Mikoh4792]

Originally Posted by lady_bug87

Look, keep it however you want. You asked a question, we answered it. No matter how many times you argue your point it's not going to make it any less wrong.

How do I know its wrong? If it were right she wouldn't upchuck a small meal.

Please read the post above, the problem doesn't stem from me. This particular boa along with the rest of the clutch has been regurgitating with the previous owner, who has been keeping them in a rack system with belly heat.

[Aaron_S]

Originally Posted by mikoh4792

The previous owner did tell me his caulker cay boas were regurgitating so the problem doesn't stem from me. It starts from somewhere else.



Same with any set up. The snake has to use a hotspot or die.

Could you just answer this simple question?

- If my boa is thermoregulating herself, and the temperatures proper, what is wrong with my enclosure? You say that she is not getting warm enough for food when clearly she is. She goes to bask, where it is 90+ degrees Fahrenheit.

I think you are the one using parts of their own discussion, not me. I have clearly stated time and time again that she gets warm and cool enough.

In your mind I have made a mistake. If you can tell me, after properly reading my posts and seeing that my snake gets the proper temperatures, what the problem is with my setup, I will admit to being incorrect. But please don't make it seem like I am forcing an argument beyond rational. You just haven't proven me wrong yet.

Maybe he's not keeping them right as well. Ever think of that? Snakes don't just regurge due to no reason.

Secondly, I thought it might all be parasites and disease. Parasites don't come from CBB animals. You don't know much.

How do you KNOW it's getting the right warmth when it's CLEARLY not due to it's lack of digestion. Have you checked the temps with a different instrument to see if yours is off yet? No? Thought so.

Your ANIMAL is telling you that it's set-up is wrong. Just because YOU see it as right doesn't make it so. You're not the one living in it or trying to eat in it, are you?

You've been told twice now an answer to the question you've asked. We've said why we believe it to be so. Either try it out or shut up. Go to the vet, spend all your money to find out it's nothing. Good luck.

[Aaron_S]

Originally Posted by mikoh4792

Please read the post above, the problem doesn't stem from me. This particular boa along with the rest of the clutch has been regurgitating with the previous owner, who has been keeping them in a rack system with belly heat.

I wouldn't be taking my advice from someone who has this recurring issue. Obviously something else is wrong.

Oh and they also sold you what looks like it may be a dehydrated snake. It doesn't take effort to keep them well hydrated.

[lady_bug87]

Originally Posted by mikoh4792

Please read the post above, the problem doesn't stem from me. This particular boa along with the rest of the clutch has been regurgitating with the previous owner, who has been keeping them in a rack system with belly heat.

One last question...

Why the heck would you even consider buying an animal that had regurge issues in the first place?

[SnakeyJay]

Originally Posted by lady_bug87

One last question...

Why the heck would you even consider buying an animal that had regurge issues in the first place?

I've been thinking this since the start.. I know I definately wouldn't have!

[Aaron_S]

Originally Posted by lady_bug87

One last question...

Why the heck would you even consider buying an animal that had regurge issues in the first place?

Oooo...good question...

HIGH FIVE!

[Mikoh4792]

Originally Posted by Aaron_S

Maybe he's not keeping them right as well. Ever think of that? Snakes don't just regurge due to no reason.

Secondly, I thought it might all be parasites and disease. Parasites don't come from CBB animals. You don't know much.

How do you KNOW it's getting the right warmth when it's CLEARLY not due to it's lack of digestion. Have you checked the temps with a different instrument to see if yours is off yet? No? Thought so.

Your ANIMAL is telling you that it's set-up is wrong. Just because YOU see it as right doesn't make it so. You're not the one living in it or trying to eat in it, are you?

You've been told twice now an answer to the question you've asked. We've said why we believe it to be so. Either try it out or shut up. Go to the vet, spend all your money to find out it's nothing. Good luck.

You are making assumptions that are too large now. Parasites and diseases can be transferred from wild caught animals to captive bred animals, when breeders or keepers keep them in close proximity.

Also, I do keep many instruments for checking temperatures. I have two thermometer/hydrometers in the bottom of the cage, two digital stick on thermometers/hydrometers stuck onto the middle walls of the cage, and I also have two different brands of infrared guns to check temperatures at various spots of the enclosure.

I feel you are bitter towards me because I am not taking your advice. However I did mention earlier on that I would give it two weeks to confirm for myself whether or not she would keep using the arboreal type setup to go up and bask, and crawl down to cool before taking your advice. This shows I am open to help and willing to follow advice.

One thing I should have mentioned before. The previous owner was also powerfeeding it before it being sold to me. He told me that a few weeks before I bought the animal, he would try to feed it every 3 days to bulk up..

[Mikoh4792]

Originally Posted by lady_bug87

One last question...

Why the heck would you even consider buying an animal that had regurge issues in the first place?

I did not know prior to the purchase. I contacted the owner when it first arrived because I was worried at how underfed/skinny it looked. This is when he told me about the snake's problems.

[Mikoh4792]

Originally Posted by Aaron_S

I wouldn't be taking my advice from someone who has this recurring issue. Obviously something else is wrong.

Oh and they also sold you what looks like it may be a dehydrated snake. It doesn't take effort to keep them well hydrated.

Yeah I know. For a week now I've been keeping her humidity up and changing her water bowl every morning. She should become hydrated if she ever was dehydrated. I never took his advice though...don't know where you got that.

[Aaron_S]

Originally Posted by mikoh4792

You are making assumptions that are too large now. Parasites and diseases can be transferred from wild caught animals to captive bred animals, when breeders or keepers keep them in close proximity.

Also, I do keep many instruments for checking temperatures. I have two thermometer/hydrometers in the bottom of the cage, two digital stick on thermometers/hydrometers stuck onto the middle walls of the cage, and I also have two different brands of infrared guns to check temperatures at various spots of the enclosure.

I feel you are bitter towards me because I am not taking your advice. However I did mention earlier on that I would give it two weeks to confirm for myself whether or not she would keep using the arboreal type setup to go up and bask, and crawl down to cool before taking your advice. This shows I am open to help and willing to follow advice.

One thing I should have mentioned before. The previous owner was also powerfeeding it before being sold to me. He told me a few weeks before I bought the animal, he would try to feed it every 3 days to bulk up..

The bold...the second red flag on why I wouldn't buy or listen to this person. Who doesn't quarantine? Secondly, it would have to be some disgusting set up for cross contamination. Internal parasites don't just up and walk away...

The italics...why do you keep two at the bottom and middle of the cage and none at the top where she apparently spends most of her time? She doesn't bask in the middle.

The underline...you've given this animal ONLY one choice to bask. She will continue to do so because without she'll die. It doesn't make it optimal. That's like putting it in a glass bowl full of water and saying it "loves to swim all the time".

I'm not bitter about anything. I'm frustrated because people like you come here because you believe we know a better solution than you can come up with on your own so you ask a question. You get answers and because they don't match up with YOUR ideas you put them off and criticize them. It's fine to ask for further detail but not a person has come to say myself or Lady_bug is wrong so it should say something.


So now because you don't want to admit to things being your mistake since you're dead set on the arboreal set up because you think it's best you're now saying that due to it eating on a better schedule it would regurge?