Anyone here have experience with dwarf boa regurgitation??

[SnakeyJay]

I have read the whole thread so don't try and be so bloody condescending, I just don't believe a bush is a hide...

Climbing 6 inches or 2ft still puts concentrated points of contact on a body carrying an extra load after feeding.. Of course they climb with relative ease with an empty stomach..

You really need to stop picking little bits of info to support your theory when they're taken out of context.

Either way, your obviously wrong somewhere as we're not the ones with a regurging snake.. Funny that.

[Aaron_S]

Originally Posted by Snakey-Jay

I have read the whole thread so don't try and be so bloody condescending, I just don't believe a bush is a hide...

Climbing 6 inches or 2ft still puts concentrated points of contact on a body carrying an extra load after feeding.. Of course they climb with relative ease with an empty stomach..

You really need to stop picking little bits of info to support your theory when they're taken out of context.

Either way, your obviously wrong somewhere as we're not the ones with a regurging snake.. Funny that.

So I'm not the only one who sees that the OP is grasping at straws?

As said here, and me prior, you've picked little bits as well as claim you're right and we're not. We don't have issues with our animals though. Tells me YOUR doing something wrong.

[Mikoh4792]

Originally Posted by Aaron_S

So I'm not the only one who sees that the OP is grasping at straws?

As said here, and me prior, you've picked little bits as well as claim you're right and we're not. We don't have issues with our animals though. Tells me YOUR doing something wrong.

This is actually the only animal I am having an issue with. And as mentioned earlier it came with the problems so it could still be lingering. You are deadset on the argument that it is about heating. I clearly negated that argument by telling you she has the proper temperatures and uses them. It's not the heating.

You talk as though there is something wrong with "picking little bits". Little bits add up.

[Aaron_S]

Originally Posted by mikoh4792

This is actually the only animal I am having an issue with. And as mentioned earlier it came with the problems so it could still be lingering. You are deadset on the argument that it is about heating. I clearly negated that argument by telling you she has the proper temperatures and uses them. It's not the heating.

You talk as though there is something wrong with "picking little bits". Little bits add up.

Lingering? Bad husbandry to bad husbandry is obviously the only lingering factor in my opinion.

If that's NOT the issue as you say it is, go take it to the vet, get a test done for all pathogens and tell us the result. Why haven't you done this yet?

Picking little bits of an argument is wrong because you can't only use "little bits" to make a case.

I also don't care for your experience with 2 other snakes that my 4 year old nephew could keep alive. This animal isn't quite like that especially when you start out wrong.

[Mikoh4792]

Originally Posted by Aaron_S

Lingering? Bad husbandry to bad husbandry is obviously the only lingering factor in my opinion.

If that's NOT the issue as you say it is, go take it to the vet, get a test done for all pathogens and tell us the result. Why haven't you done this yet?

Picking little bits of an argument is wrong because you can't only use "little bits" to make a case.

I also don't care for your experience with 2 other snakes that my 4 year old nephew could keep alive. This animal isn't quite like that especially when you start out wrong.

Make that 3 with past experience as well. Picking little bits of an argument may just be wrong, but you have not told me which little bits I have used, and how they were used in the wrong way. You just put that statement out there without ever backing it up.

EDIT: could you tell me how I commit bad husbandry to my snake? It has everything it needs. Hides, water, thermal gradient. Small enough enclosure to feel secure along with the hides. You call this bad husbandry?

The funny thing is you never.... once... have addressed my point about the temperatures being correct. you keep saying "it isn't warm enough". I have repeated myself several times now. The temperatures are all correct and the snake uses them to thermoregulate herself. Please refute this once and for all. You keep avoiding this point and try to win the argument by bashing me by saying things like " Bad husbandy ","You don't know much"," my 4 year old can do that". These are all ad-hominem attacks meant to attack the person instead of the argument at hand.

[marvelfreak]

This thread reminds me of







NOT!

[Aaron_S]

Originally Posted by mikoh4792

Make that 3 with past experience as well. Picking little bits of an argument may just be wrong, but you have not told me which little bits I have used, and how they were used in the wrong way. You just put that statement out there without ever backing it up.

EDIT: could you tell me how I commit bad husbandry to my snake? It has everything it needs. Hides, water, thermal gradient. Small enough enclosure to feel secure along with the hides. You call this bad husbandry?

The funny thing is you never.... once... have addressed my point about the temperatures being correct. you keep saying "it isn't warm enough". I have repeated myself several times now. The temperatures are all correct and the snake uses them to thermoregulate herself. Please refute this once and for all. You keep avoiding this point and try to win the argument by bashing me by saying things like " Bad husbandy ","You don't know much"," my 4 year old can do that". These are all ad-hominem attacks meant to attack the person instead of the argument at hand.

I brought up certain "attacks" as you call them as a refute to you and your reasoning for why you decided not to listen. You say this is your only snake with an issue, I say that's because the other two are so simple my young nephew can do it too so it isn't something for you to stand on.

I have attacked your argument. You seem to not refute it because you can't. You have a snake with a problem, I do not. Ergo, my information isn't as bad as you may think it is.


About your temperatures here is the post with your high temps. You're off by an easy 2 degrees steady. You should keep it 89 - 90 and not above.

http://www.ssnakess.com/forums/842931-post3.html

I never said it was the temps, I said the heating isn't working right. Which if you read that correctly could mean that your snake isn't achieving the proper temps. Despite what you're 6 thermometers read. It's your snake's temp, not the cage temp that truly matters. This is proved by the fact she regurged her meal two days later.

As well, your snake has shown that your enclosure isn't secure. If it was there would be no regurged rat in there. YOU say it is, but I doubt your snake is fully there yet. It took a meal so for the record it's partially secure.

The LAST thing, and I've presumed it thus far, is that you don't handle this snake like at all yet. If you do, that's a clear indicator of such behaviour as a regurge as it's STRESS. Stress isn't only from an insecure hide.

Like I said though, leaves aren't the same as a real tough solid piece to hide in. You can say it is, but trust me. Would you feel comfortable hiding yourself in leaves from a lion or would you feel more comfortable in something sturdy and covered on all sides? That's how your snake feels. I hope that's something you can understand since snake behaviour isn't quite your cup of tea yet.

EDIT: As it stands I'm awaiting an e-mail from the breeders in the States who first produced these animals when they were imported.

[Mikoh4792]

Originally Posted by Aaron_S

I brought up certain "attacks" as you call them as a refute to you and your reasoning for why you decided not to listen. You say this is your only snake with an issue, I say that's because the other two are so simple my young nephew can do it too so it isn't something for you to stand on.

I have attacked your argument. You seem to not refute it because you can't. You have a snake with a problem, I do not. Ergo, my information isn't as bad as you may think it is.


About your temperatures here is the post with your high temps. You're off by an easy 2 degrees steady. You should keep it 89 - 90 and not above.

I never said it was the temps, I said the heating isn't working right. Which if you read that correctly could mean that your snake isn't achieving the proper temps. Despite what you're 6 thermometers read. It's your snake's temp, not the cage temp that truly matters. This is proved by the fact she regurged her meal two days later.

As well, your snake has shown that your enclosure isn't secure. If it was there would be no regurged rat in there. YOU say it is, but I doubt your snake is fully there yet. It took a meal so for the record it's partially secure.

The LAST thing, and I've presumed it thus far, is that you don't handle this snake like at all yet. If you do, that's a clear indicator of such behaviour as a regurge as it's STRESS. Stress isn't only from an insecure hide.

Like I said though, leaves aren't the same as a real tough solid piece to hide in. You can say it is, but trust me. Would you feel comfortable hiding yourself in leaves from a lion or would you feel more comfortable in something sturdy and covered on all sides? That's how your snake feels. I hope that's something you can understand since snake behaviour isn't quite your cup of tea yet.

Well there you go. A more sensible argument. An easy 2 degrees isn't going to hurt either way. In the wild there are fluctuations all the time, and degrees can get hotter than 90F. If there is a hotter than 90f spot in the cage, she can move elsewhere. This is infact, text-book thermoregulation. Also, because there used to be an actual level to the top( as in another floor space) my snake would be able to move to a 90F degree spot if 92 was too hot or 88 was too cold.

You said my heating wasn't working right, yet you say that has nothing to do with temps. I don't know how many times I can say this but I will respectfully address as much of the issues that you bring forward as I can. The temps were there, and the snake utilized them. I would call that in your own words "heating working right".

I only handled her two times. First time I handled her was the day she came. I took her out of the deli cup, checked her out for minute to see if anything was wrong. The only thing I could tell was that she was very skinny.

Second time was a day before I fed her. I was hooking up a stick on thermometer to the wall but she was blocking the way so I picked her up and moved her. Would only those two times be enough to stress her out?(serious question, in case you feel this is an attack against you.)

[Mikoh4792]

Originally Posted by Aaron_S

Like I said though, leaves aren't the same as a real tough solid piece to hide in. You can say it is, but trust me. Would you feel comfortable hiding yourself in leaves from a lion or would you feel more comfortable in something sturdy and covered on all sides? That's how your snake feels. I hope that's something you can understand since snake behaviour isn't quite your cup of tea yet.

EDIT: As it stands I'm awaiting an e-mail from the breeders in the States who first produced these animals when they were imported.

Human security is different from snake security would you not agree?
The thing is, you make these boas out to be always hiding. They aren't ball pythons that are in burrows most of the time. As cited earlier these snakes do go up the trees in the wild to avoid predators. Where do you think they hide in the trees? In some rock in the tree? No probably in between brush and patches of leaves that are on the branches. At same time, soaking up the sun's heat. I have mimicked a similar environment in the previous enclosure.

[Mikoh4792]

Originally Posted by Snakey-Jay

I have read the whole thread so don't try and be so bloody condescending, I just don't believe a bush is a hide...

Climbing 6 inches or 2ft still puts concentrated points of contact on a body carrying an extra load after feeding.. Of course they climb with relative ease with an empty stomach..

You really need to stop picking little bits of info to support your theory when they're taken out of context.

Either way, your obviously wrong somewhere as we're not the ones with a regurging snake.. Funny that.

Could you explain which little bits of info I used to support my theory when they were taken out of context? You talk as though using bits of info to support a theory is wrong. In my opinion it is the right thing to do. When do people not use bits of info to support a theory?


Yes obviously wrong somewhere, yet not when it comes to keeping it warm enough. If I thought I had everything right I wouldn't be here posting about this would I?

climbing 6 inches isn't that hard even with a full stomach. I'm assuming that you are assuming that this snake climbs from bottom to top on a skinny pole. There is a flag log placed from the bottom to the basking site. So it isn't like shes "climbing" up. It's more like crawling up. Again, at that weight going up 12 inches isn't going to strain anything.