need a little help here - Page 3

DeesBalls · 01-11-13, 06:43 PM

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Originally Posted by TalonNC

I'm not retic expert...but isnt there a chance you DONT get a puppy dog retic like the one in the Youtube...and end up with a Hell Bender like Satan from BHB..?

Satan is a Burm though, not a retic. lol but same idea of the analogy

To the OP- make sure to keep us updated with bucnh of pictures.

EmbraceCalamity · 01-11-13, 06:49 PM

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Originally Posted by iBaman

6x3 is appropriate. we'll leave it at that.

I thought the rule was the snake's entire length should be a minimum of 2/3 of the perimeter of the enclosure? So wouldn't that mean an 18' snake should be kept in something that totals 27' in perimeter, like 9'x4.5'? Or am I misunderstanding the rule?

~Maggot

iBaman · 01-11-13, 06:52 PM

Where on earth did you get that rule? I had always heard the 1sq ft per foot of snake.

EmbraceCalamity · 01-11-13, 07:05 PM

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Originally Posted by iBaman

Where on earth did you get that rule? I had always heard the 1sq ft per foot of snake.

I don't recall. 1 square foot per foot of snake seems strange when the snake is that thick.

~Maggot

tommy757 · 01-11-13, 07:07 PM

and the rules ive used for housing my retics are the snake should be no longer than double the length of the enclosure and as for height well no more than 24 in for adults as they are terrestrial and finally width have you ever had to climb in w/ a 60 pound beast with an awe inspiring feeding response to clean no deeper than three feet so to total it up its usually at the extreme 10x3x2 imo and walla healthy happy snakes!

Pirarucu · 01-11-13, 07:38 PM

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Originally Posted by tommy757

and as for height well no more than 24 in for adults as they are terrestrial

Excuse me?

Reticulated python video - Python reticulatus - 11 - ARKive

Pirarucu · 01-11-13, 07:39 PM

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Originally Posted by iBaman

Where on earth did you get that rule? I had always heard the 1sq ft per foot of snake.

And when the snake is more than a foot thick?

iBaman · 01-11-13, 09:12 PM

Foot length wise....

iBaman · 01-11-13, 09:13 PM

Just because something CAN climb a tree, doesn't mean they're arboreal...that's like saying a lion isn't terrestrial...

Pirarucu · 01-11-13, 11:00 PM

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Originally Posted by iBaman

Foot length wise....

Yes, and when a snake gets big enough to the point that it is a foot wide, that paradigm for cage size is ridiculous. It varies too much from one extreme to another. Take a three foot snake in a 3x1 cage. That fits the rule. Now imagine a thirty foot snake in a 10x3 cage. See my point? The proportions don't stay the same.

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Originally Posted by iBaman

Just because something CAN climb a tree, doesn't mean they're arboreal...that's like saying a lion isn't terrestrial...

What sort of flawed logic is that? By that logic, Anacondas don't spend time in water and carpets don't spend time in trees. Look at that video and tell me that animal isn't adapted to climb. Retics are all-terrain vehicles of the snake world. When mine is out roaming, the one direction you can bet he will go is up.

limey · 01-20-13, 08:59 PM

I think Frank from Bronx Zoo hit the nail on the head in his latest post about Burmese Pythons. He basically said that if you get a giant snake, you should provide it with a sizable enclosure. A full grown giant should effectively have it's own room and that a 6ft long tank for a 16ft snake is kind of unethical. Not to say that the snake won't stay in reasonable health, but it will be more in "storage" really than living a good life with free roaming space.

I'd second his thoughts on that.

Pirarucu · 01-20-13, 09:17 PM

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Originally Posted by limey

I think Frank from Bronx Zoo hit the nail on the head in his latest post about Burmese Pythons. He basically said that if you get a giant snake, you should provide it with a sizable enclosure. A full grown giant should effectively have it's own room and that a 6ft long tank for a 16ft snake is kind of unethical. Not to say that the snake won't stay in reasonable health, but it will be more in "storage" really than living a good life with free roaming space.

I'd second his thoughts on that.

Well said.

**Aaron_S** · 01-20-13, 09:24 PM

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Originally Posted by iBaman

Those make the best breeders!! ;D

To everyone about the viv size...it seems small, but for most people, it's unrealistic to have a room for a snake like that...let alone enough for breeders. As long as they get out for 'exercise', it's fine. 632 is the favorite size, and once the animal gets over 18ft, it gets put into an 8' viv. just my two cents, since you banned all the retic nation guys...

Actually only one got banned for making a comment that had a lot of people get their panties in a bunch and report it. (Not me). The rest just left crying to their little circle jerk. Can't handle any opposing views in a mature manner.

Since I saw you run to them already for the "God's truth" on all things retic, tell them to come back. I'm ready for another round.

I'd like to point out the bold part of your statement...maybe that's a reason why NOT to have them? It's unrealistic to keep gators in something so small so people don't do it but it's OKAY for giant pythons? Hmmm. Makes you wonder who's in denial.

**Aaron_S** · 01-20-13, 09:28 PM

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Originally Posted by EmbraceCalamity

I'd love to see people who can't realistically house them just not own them. Have nothing against them being kept in and of itself, but like I said, this would be like putting my horse in a dog kennel. Even if I took him out for "exercise," it would be considered cruelty. But with a snake, well, who cares? It's 'good enough.'

~Maggot

Just because I can see both sides of a coin with an open mind (apparently retic keepers can't) I'd like to state a horse and giant snake are two different things. Horses have an actual need for stimulation. Snakes do not.

I think 6x3 is too small for snakes over 12 feet. I think 18 footers need even bigger enclosures but hey I don't belong to the mythological patheon of retic nation so hey my information doesn't matter.

EmbraceCalamity · 01-20-13, 09:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Aaron_S

Just because I can see both sides of a coin with an open mind (apparently retic keepers can't) I'd like to state a horse and giant snake are two different things. Horses have an actual need for stimulation. Snakes do not.

I think 6x3 is too small for snakes over 12 feet. I think 18 footers need even bigger enclosures but hey I don't belong to the mythological patheon of retic nation so hey my information doesn't matter.

I'm aware that there are psychological differences, but the fact remains that the 'enclosures' for either are so small that neither animal can move much at all - which isn't a way any animal should be kept, though it is a greater cruelty to some because of the difference you pointed out - and that, with horses, if people can't "realistically" house them, then they usually just don't buy them. But with giant snakes, well, to hell with it; do what you can and the snake will have to make do. So my point was just that it's really sad in either circumstance, disregarding how comparably sad, as I recognise that it's a different level to keep a horse in a kennel than a giant snake in such a small enclosure.

~Maggot