need a little help here

EmbraceCalamity · 01-11-13, 02:06 PM

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Originally Posted by iBaman

Those make the best breeders!! ;D

To everyone about the viv size...it seems small, but for most people, it's unrealistic to have a room for a snake like that...let alone enough for breeders. As long as they get out for 'exercise', it's fine. 632 is the favorite size, and once the animal gets over 18ft, it gets put into an 8' viv. just my two cents, since you banned all the retic nation guys...

I'd love to see people who can't realistically house them just not own them. Have nothing against them being kept in and of itself, but like I said, this would be like putting my horse in a dog kennel. Even if I took him out for "exercise," it would be considered cruelty. But with a snake, well, who cares? It's 'good enough.'

~Maggot

iBaman · 01-11-13, 02:15 PM

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Originally Posted by EmbraceCalamity

I'd love to see people who can't realistically house them just not own them. Have nothing against them being kept in and of itself, but like I said, this would be like putting my horse in a dog kennel. Even if I took him out for "exercise," it would be considered cruelty. But with a snake, well, who cares? It's 'good enough.'

~Maggot

how much do they really move when not hunting, though? not very much. They conserve all of that energy FOR hunting. Once you eliminate the need to hunt, you eliminate the 'need' for a giant space. Our pet store has a very large enclosure for the big snakes. Once they hit 8ft, they stay at the bottom.

EmbraceCalamity · 01-11-13, 02:18 PM

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Originally Posted by iBaman

how much do they really move when not hunting, though? not very much. They conserve all of that energy FOR hunting. Once you eliminate the need to hunt, you eliminate the 'need' for a giant space. Our pet store has a very large enclosure for the big snakes. Once they hit 8ft, they stay at the bottom.

I don't know. How much do they? I've never observed a wild one. But if you let it out for "exercise," then I assume it does move, does it not? So, if given the proper space, wouldn't it move without being let out too?

~Maggot

iBaman · 01-11-13, 02:24 PM

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Originally Posted by EmbraceCalamity

I don't know. How much do they? I've never observed a wild one. But if you let it out for "exercise," then I assume it does move, does it not? So, if given the proper space, wouldn't it move without being let out too?

~Maggot

Fair point. When Pajamas is out, he mostly stays on me. Climbs to the top of my head and just sits there. Someday, I want to do an experiment and put him in a big room to 'explore'. All the zoos, pet stores and the like I've been to that have the giant enclosures for them, though, and the snakes just sit near the bottom or up in a tree.

EmbraceCalamity · 01-11-13, 02:51 PM

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Originally Posted by iBaman

Fair point. When Pajamas is out, he mostly stays on me. Climbs to the top of my head and just sits there. Someday, I want to do an experiment and put him in a big room to 'explore'. All the zoos, pet stores and the like I've been to that have the giant enclosures for them, though, and the snakes just sit near the bottom or up in a tree.

I doubt they 'run' around their enclosures, but, if other snakes get appropriately sized enclosures, even ones that generally don't move much like balls, then throwing the rule out of the window because these are bigger is counterintuitive at best.

~Maggot

Squirtle · 01-20-13, 09:56 PM

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Originally Posted by iBaman

Fair point. When Pajamas is out, he mostly stays on me. Climbs to the top of my head and just sits there. Someday, I want to do an experiment and put him in a big room to 'explore'. All the zoos, pet stores and the like I've been to that have the giant enclosures for them, though, and the snakes just sit near the bottom or up in a tree.

Not true. I used to visit a local zoo (The Bronx Zoo) very frequently and they had a Tiger Reticulated Python that, although slowly, moved freely inside its enclosure. There are a lot of videos of it on YouTube, these are just two videos of it.

reticulated python at bronx zoo - YouTube

A Big Python - At The Bronx Zoo - YouTube

**Aaron_S** · 01-20-13, 09:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Squirtle

Not true. I used to visit a local zoo (The Bronx Zoo) very frequently and they had a Tiger Reticulated Python that, although slowly, moved freely inside its enclosure. There are a lot of videos of it on YouTube, these are just two videos of it.

reticulated python at bronx zoo - YouTube

A Big Python - At The Bronx Zoo - YouTube

WHOA! Don't use logic and fact when dealing with retic information, it goes against what the patheon of retic god's say so it's not allowed.

I'd only like to add to this quote that Ibaman, just because you haven't seen them move at the pet store or the zoo doesn't mean they don't. You don't spend 24 hours there watching.

limey · 01-21-13, 02:13 AM

This isn't directed at anyone in particular, I just wanted to say that I personally would want the best quality of life for any animal I own. Pets shouldn't be "toys" and things that exist only to please us. Of course, it is pleasing to us that we own them and that they are part of our lives but they are living breathing creatures that deserve some semblance of a quality of life.

Thus, if I were to get a giant snake (which is highly unlikely in the near future) then I would ensure it had more than just a 6 ft viv. If I couldn't meet these needs, then I wouldn't get one at all. I see it is becoming increasingly popular to put snakes in undersized enclosures... and I don't agree with it, personally.

**Aaron_S** · 01-20-13, 09:28 PM

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Originally Posted by EmbraceCalamity

I'd love to see people who can't realistically house them just not own them. Have nothing against them being kept in and of itself, but like I said, this would be like putting my horse in a dog kennel. Even if I took him out for "exercise," it would be considered cruelty. But with a snake, well, who cares? It's 'good enough.'

~Maggot

Just because I can see both sides of a coin with an open mind (apparently retic keepers can't) I'd like to state a horse and giant snake are two different things. Horses have an actual need for stimulation. Snakes do not.

I think 6x3 is too small for snakes over 12 feet. I think 18 footers need even bigger enclosures but hey I don't belong to the mythological patheon of retic nation so hey my information doesn't matter.

EmbraceCalamity · 01-20-13, 09:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Aaron_S

Just because I can see both sides of a coin with an open mind (apparently retic keepers can't) I'd like to state a horse and giant snake are two different things. Horses have an actual need for stimulation. Snakes do not.

I think 6x3 is too small for snakes over 12 feet. I think 18 footers need even bigger enclosures but hey I don't belong to the mythological patheon of retic nation so hey my information doesn't matter.

I'm aware that there are psychological differences, but the fact remains that the 'enclosures' for either are so small that neither animal can move much at all - which isn't a way any animal should be kept, though it is a greater cruelty to some because of the difference you pointed out - and that, with horses, if people can't "realistically" house them, then they usually just don't buy them. But with giant snakes, well, to hell with it; do what you can and the snake will have to make do. So my point was just that it's really sad in either circumstance, disregarding how comparably sad, as I recognise that it's a different level to keep a horse in a kennel than a giant snake in such a small enclosure.

~Maggot