need a little help here - Page 2

Terranaut · 01-09-13, 11:53 AM

I would also feel bad if I kept my 20' in something that small(if I had one). 15'x5'x5' would work or a nice bedroom of its own would be good.

themeyers · 01-11-13, 11:10 AM

I know what you're saying about the size enclosure. And as for temperament she is a dream I have never had a calmer animal in my life. And she isn't even head shy in the least. Also she never seams to want to be put down. Like she can't get enough of us handling her lol. But thanks for all the help.

Lankyrob · 01-11-13, 11:55 AM

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I know what you're saying about the size enclosure. And as for temperament she is a dream I have never had a calmer animal in my life. And she isn't even head shy in the least. Also she never seams to want to be put down. Like she can't get enough of us handling her lol. But thanks for all the help.

I just wanted to say that i hope you dont think i was having a go at you when i mentioned the enclosure size, i was just making a comment on the general way of keeping these large snakes

Glad you got a nice one, keep the pics coming

iBaman · 01-11-13, 01:56 PM

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I'm not retic expert...but isnt there a chance you DONT get a puppy dog retic like the one in the Youtube...and end up with a Hell Bender like Satan from BHB..?

Those make the best breeders!! ;D

To everyone about the viv size...it seems small, but for most people, it's unrealistic to have a room for a snake like that...let alone enough for breeders. As long as they get out for 'exercise', it's fine. 632 is the favorite size, and once the animal gets over 18ft, it gets put into an 8' viv. just my two cents, since you banned all the retic nation guys...

EmbraceCalamity · 01-11-13, 02:06 PM

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Those make the best breeders!! ;D

To everyone about the viv size...it seems small, but for most people, it's unrealistic to have a room for a snake like that...let alone enough for breeders. As long as they get out for 'exercise', it's fine. 632 is the favorite size, and once the animal gets over 18ft, it gets put into an 8' viv. just my two cents, since you banned all the retic nation guys...

I'd love to see people who can't realistically house them just not own them. Have nothing against them being kept in and of itself, but like I said, this would be like putting my horse in a dog kennel. Even if I took him out for "exercise," it would be considered cruelty. But with a snake, well, who cares? It's 'good enough.'

~Maggot

iBaman · 01-11-13, 02:15 PM

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I'd love to see people who can't realistically house them just not own them. Have nothing against them being kept in and of itself, but like I said, this would be like putting my horse in a dog kennel. Even if I took him out for "exercise," it would be considered cruelty. But with a snake, well, who cares? It's 'good enough.'

~Maggot

how much do they really move when not hunting, though? not very much. They conserve all of that energy FOR hunting. Once you eliminate the need to hunt, you eliminate the 'need' for a giant space. Our pet store has a very large enclosure for the big snakes. Once they hit 8ft, they stay at the bottom.

EmbraceCalamity · 01-11-13, 02:18 PM

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how much do they really move when not hunting, though? not very much. They conserve all of that energy FOR hunting. Once you eliminate the need to hunt, you eliminate the 'need' for a giant space. Our pet store has a very large enclosure for the big snakes. Once they hit 8ft, they stay at the bottom.

I don't know. How much do they? I've never observed a wild one. But if you let it out for "exercise," then I assume it does move, does it not? So, if given the proper space, wouldn't it move without being let out too?

~Maggot

iBaman · 01-11-13, 02:24 PM

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I don't know. How much do they? I've never observed a wild one. But if you let it out for "exercise," then I assume it does move, does it not? So, if given the proper space, wouldn't it move without being let out too?

~Maggot

Fair point. When Pajamas is out, he mostly stays on me. Climbs to the top of my head and just sits there. Someday, I want to do an experiment and put him in a big room to 'explore'. All the zoos, pet stores and the like I've been to that have the giant enclosures for them, though, and the snakes just sit near the bottom or up in a tree.

EmbraceCalamity · 01-11-13, 02:51 PM

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Fair point. When Pajamas is out, he mostly stays on me. Climbs to the top of my head and just sits there. Someday, I want to do an experiment and put him in a big room to 'explore'. All the zoos, pet stores and the like I've been to that have the giant enclosures for them, though, and the snakes just sit near the bottom or up in a tree.

I doubt they 'run' around their enclosures, but, if other snakes get appropriately sized enclosures, even ones that generally don't move much like balls, then throwing the rule out of the window because these are bigger is counterintuitive at best.

~Maggot

iBaman · 01-11-13, 04:08 PM

Getting the guy's input, one second. (retic nation)

iBaman · 01-11-13, 06:12 PM

it's one square foot per foot of snake. So a 6x3, which is what most retic keepers keep their snakes in, will house up to an 18' snake (6x3=18). Any bigger than that, they go in an 8x3, which is 24 feet of snake to house. Think about alllll the arguments we've had on here on how big they REALLY get. 24' is an achievement that DOES NOT happen very often.

EmbraceCalamity · 01-11-13, 06:13 PM

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it's one square foot per foot of snake. So a 6x3, which is what most retic keepers keep their snakes in, will house up to an 18' snake (6x3=18). Any bigger than that, they go in an 8x3, which is 24 feet of snake to house. Think about alllll the arguments we've had on here on how big they REALLY get. 24' is an achievement that DOES NOT happen very often.

Okay? Not sure what your point is.

~Maggot

iBaman · 01-11-13, 06:20 PM

you (or someone else) asked why it was okay to house them in such a 'small' cage. I gave the answer.

also...have any of you ever SEEN how big a 6' cage is?

EmbraceCalamity · 01-11-13, 06:40 PM

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Originally Posted by iBaman

you (or someone else) asked why it was okay to house them in such a 'small' cage. I gave the answer.

also...have any of you ever SEEN how big a 6' cage is?

I said I think people shouldn't keep these snakes unless they can appropriately house such huge animals, and most people like to disregard rules that apply to other snakes just because it's not "realistic" due to their size.

~Maggot

iBaman · 01-11-13, 06:41 PM

6x3 is appropriate. we'll leave it at that.