Scared for my boa

[Corey209]

Originally Posted by Pirarucu

Well said Snakesitter. On the topic of IBD, if anyone suggests it, always take it with a grain of salt. People are all too eager to suggest it.. My burm picks up his head to get a clear view out of his cage all the time, I posted a picture and it was immediately diagnosed as IBD. Almost two years later and his "IBD" still hasn't killed him. Hmm..

I too would guess physical injury. It's possible she could have hurt herself. I know of one person with a retic that struck and hit the wall of its cage, and screwed up its neck. They ultimately decided to put it down if I remember right. Not saying that's what you should do, but just saying it's possible she injured herself. I'd get an X-Ray done and see what the vet has to say.

I asked if she had her tested for IBD. In the video her boa shows symptoms of IBD; stargazing, neck twisting, unable to turn itself upright. I never said her boa has IBD just curious if she had it tested..

Inclusion Body Disease

[dinosaurdammit]

Originally Posted by Pirarucu

Well said Snakesitter. On the topic of IBD, if anyone suggests it, always take it with a grain of salt. People are all too eager to suggest it.. My burm picks up his head to get a clear view out of his cage all the time, I posted a picture and it was immediately diagnosed as IBD. Almost two years later and his "IBD" still hasn't killed him. Hmm..

I too would guess physical injury. It's possible she could have hurt herself. I know of one person with a retic that struck and hit the wall of its cage, and screwed up its neck. They ultimately decided to put it down if I remember right. Not saying that's what you should do, but just saying it's possible she injured herself. I'd get an X-Ray done and see what the vet has to say.

It doesnt show so well in my poor quality web cam thing but her spine from about 10 verts in her neck to about the same in her lower back towards her tail are all ganked up. Its like her neck doesnt align with her skull. We will probably do xrays today. he gave me the last appt for the day and its the same vet for the zoo and the desert museum. I am so fortunate to have him as my vet. He gave me the last appt and said he would stay there until 9 until he figured this out and offered a free post mortum since he cant figure it out either.

[Pirarucu]

Originally Posted by Corey209

I asked if she had her tested for IBD. In the video her boa shows symptoms of IBD; stargazing, neck twisting, unable to turn itself upright. I never said her boa has IBD just curious if she had it tested..

Inclusion Body Disease

There are other causes for all those things though. In addition, IBD has been misdiagnosed so many times based on supposed symptoms that it's hard to know which are definitely symptoms of IBD. The fact is that very, very little is known about this virus, though there was a recent study done which concluded that IBD is related to Ebola and Marburg, the filoviruses, as well as Lassa.
New, Deadly Virus Related to Ebola ID'ed in Snakes | Inclusion Body Disease | LiveScience

[Snakesitter]

Originally Posted by Terranaut

Ashamed ? Seriously?

Yes, *seriously*. IBD is a HORRIBLE possibility to raise to anyone based on only limited evidence. It can destroy collections and reputations in a heartbeat. You might think about that in the future. I've been where you could have sent this guy. It ruined six months of my life. I will NOT let someone else go through that without comment.

Pirarucu, thank you for backing me up on this.

Moving on....

Dinosaur, I would agree with Pirarucu, especially after seeing your new detail on her neck. Could she have gotten caught in a door or hit something too hard striking at prey? Did they do x-rays to see if there was spinal damage?

Best of luck to you and your pet, having been though such a scare, I know this must be terribly hard.

[dinosaurdammit]

Originally Posted by Snakesitter

Yes, *seriously*. IBD is a HORRIBLE possibility to raise to anyone based on only limited evidence. It can destroy collections and reputations in a heartbeat. You might think about that in the future. I've been where you could have sent this guy. It ruined six months of my life. I will NOT let someone else go through that without comment.

Pirarucu, thank you for backing me up on this.

Moving on....

Dinosaur, I would agree with Pirarucu, especially after seeing your new detail on her neck. Could she have gotten caught in a door or hit something too hard striking at prey? Did they do x-rays to see if there was spinal damage?

Best of luck to you and your pet, having been though such a scare, I know this must be terribly hard.

X rays came back normal although she did have a small surprise in her, only one though. I dunno how this will affect the offspring :/

Anywho I went yesterday to the vet and he talked it over with another vet and today I start her some support care and will try and flush any toxins out of her body as some test came back abby-normal. He thinks there may be a pyrethrin (spelling may not be right) over saturation. He thinks the place that boarded her may have had too much of the stuff and that it might be the cause of her woes. She ate a rat today! She is acting a bit better. She isnt laying upside down today so there is something! But she does seem to be dehydrated :C

[SpOoKy]

Seems like some light at the end of the tunnel. Glad to hear you got a few answers and she is doing better. Good luck

[Zoo Nanny]

You may want to let the pet store know that their spray is too strong. If they are mixing it themselves they may have made it too strong. I'm surprised that they haven't seen CNS issues with other animals. Glad to hear that she is doing better.

[Pirarucu]

Originally Posted by Snakesitter

Yes, *seriously*. IBD is a HORRIBLE possibility to raise to anyone based on only limited evidence. It can destroy collections and reputations in a heartbeat. You might think about that in the future. I've been where you could have sent this guy. It ruined six months of my life. I will NOT let someone else go through that without comment.

Exactly. It's like telling someone their child has the plague.
When I posted a picture of my burm with his head up, I almost instantly was informed by three experts that he had an incurable disease and should be put down. Needless to say I am extremely glad I did not follow this advise...
People are too eager to "save" your snakes by being the hero who tells you that they're all in danger...

[Squirtle]

I don't know if it's IBD or not, but there is definitely something wrong with her. It sucks too because she's such a beautiful snake! Hope everything turns out the way you want it to can you post update videos once in a while?

[Terranaut]

Originally Posted by Pirarucu

Exactly. It's like telling someone their child has the plague.
When I posted a picture of my burm with his head up, I almost instantly was informed by three experts that he had an incurable disease and should be put down. Needless to say I am extremely glad I did not follow this advise...
People are too eager to "save" your snakes by being the hero who tells you that they're all in danger...

Actually if you 2 read the first page you will see its not like that at all. It was like telling someone their child showed a symptom or 2 of the plague but uts probably something else. IBD was pretty much ruled out on the first page. The only people I see trying to ve heros here are you guys. This person does not seem to care about their "reputation" and inly cares about the snake. Sorry if you had "business" issues with a false diagnossis but nobody here acted like you and snakesitter are accusing. It was pointed out to have a look at snakes with IBD just incase and ruled out when the op said the snake didn't act like that.
Please save all this attempted drama for yourselves. Its not needed here.

To the op. Did the vet mention wether or not any issues from overexposure to premithrin are permenant. Please post all info if this is what really happened. There has been a couple threads lately about the use of this product and its possible side effects. First hand experience is great to share and warn others.
Thanks for posting and lets hope it all gets better soon.

[Snakesitter]

Originally Posted by Pirarucu

Exactly. It's like telling someone their child has the plague...

Perfect analogy.

Originally Posted by Terranaut

Actually if you 2 read the first page you will see its not like that at all.

You know Terranaut, for a second I thought that maybe I was wrong. So I went back at looked at that first page, willing to apologize. But the *very* first thing you say -- and keep in mind this was the first diagnosis in this entire thread -- is "Looking up or stargazing can be a sign of IBD." It could have been lots of things. But you had to raise the Big Bad Cause from post #1.

Originally Posted by Terranaut

The only people I see trying to ve heros here are you guys.

And you seem to be the only one insisting that raising IBD was defendable and somehow the right thing to say. I was ready to drop this after my opening admonition, and you keep bringing it up. I stand by my comment that IBD is an irresponsible issue to raise in such a fashion...and wonder, sadly, how many animals have been lost due to knee-jerk, fearful reactions based on advice like that.

Attempting to move on once again....

Dinosaur, I'm glad to hear the x-rays were negative for physical damage. It also sounds like she is recovering a bit! I think flushing her system of toxins is an excellent idea. If she will not drink herself, there are a few steps you can try. Probably the easiest is to run her prey under hot water to get its fur soaked...thus, she gets extra water whenever she eats. A forced soak for her is also an option, but the stress may outweigh the benefits at this point. Next time you take her in ask the vet if tubing her some liquids would help.

Good luck!

[Snakesitter]

Originally Posted by Zoo Nanny

You may want to let the pet store know that their spray is too strong. If they are mixing it themselves they may have made it too strong. I'm surprised that they haven't seen CNS issues with other animals. Glad to hear that she is doing better.

Great point, Zoo Nanny. If no other good comes of this, at least no other animals may have to go through this.

[Aaron_S]

Originally Posted by Snakesitter

Perfect analogy.


You know Terranaut, for a second I thought that maybe I was wrong. So I went back at looked at that first page, willing to apologize. But the *very* first thing you say -- and keep in mind this was the first diagnosis in this entire thread -- is "Looking up or stargazing can be a sign of IBD." It could have been lots of things. But you had to raise the Big Bad Cause from post #1.


And you seem to be the only one insisting that raising IBD was defendable and somehow the right thing to say. I was ready to drop this after my opening admonition, and you keep bringing it up. I stand by my comment that IBD is an irresponsible issue to raise in such a fashion...and wonder, sadly, how many animals have been lost due to knee-jerk, fearful reactions based on advice like that.

Attempting to move on once again....

Dinosaur, I'm glad to hear the x-rays were negative for physical damage. It also sounds like she is recovering a bit! I think flushing her system of toxins is an excellent idea. If she will not drink herself, there are a few steps you can try. Probably the easiest is to run her prey under hot water to get its fur soaked...thus, she gets extra water whenever she eats. A forced soak for her is also an option, but the stress may outweigh the benefits at this point. Next time you take her in ask the vet if tubing her some liquids would help.

Good luck!

Did you not read the rest of Dan's post?

Originally Posted by Terranaut

Looking up or stargazing can be a sign of IBD. I wouldn't freak out just yet but watch a few videos on youtube of snakes with IBD and see if this matches your snakes behavior. If yes and you have other snakes DO NOT BRING THIS ONE BACK HOME. IBD is 100% fatal and transmitable. Sorry.

Did you not read everything or just the part's to make you look to be someone defending the little guy here?

I think it's WRONG to NOT bring it up as a POSSIBILITY due to the fact there are many more animals at risk than just this one. No video or pictures were given at first so it's rather difficult to just go on descriptions I do not think it was entirely wrong to bring up the idea.

[dinosaurdammit]

Originally Posted by Terranaut

Actually if you 2 read the first page you will see its not like that at all. It was like telling someone their child showed a symptom or 2 of the plague but uts probably something else. IBD was pretty much ruled out on the first page. The only people I see trying to ve heros here are you guys. This person does not seem to care about their "reputation" and inly cares about the snake. Sorry if you had "business" issues with a false diagnossis but nobody here acted like you and snakesitter are accusing. It was pointed out to have a look at snakes with IBD just incase and ruled out when the op said the snake didn't act like that.
Please save all this attempted drama for yourselves. Its not needed here.

To the op. Did the vet mention wether or not any issues from overexposure to premithrin are permenant. Please post all info if this is what really happened. There has been a couple threads lately about the use of this product and its possible side effects. First hand experience is great to share and warn others.
Thanks for posting and lets hope it all gets better soon.

She got some fluids tonight, she seemed to take them well. She is in her set up, paper towels only. Small shallow water dish in the warm side because I am afraid to give her any depth of water because she does still have motion issues. She also got some B vitamins so help out as well. If she starts looking better in the next 48/72 hours then I will be almost positive its the pryrethrin stuff. I attempted to call but no one was there, I wanted to ask their ratios but couldnt get anyone.

Originally Posted by Snakesitter

Great point, Zoo Nanny. If no other good comes of this, at least no other animals may have to go through this.

hoping its just a toxin and nothing else. Hoping the fluids will flush it out.

[EmbraceCalamity]

OP, I really hope something can be done about this. Did you manage to talk to the pet store about it? I wonder if any other animals there have ever shown signs. It would be strange for it to only be your snake to ever have issues.

Originally Posted by Terranaut

Apparently he did not.
Can be a sign is not the same as is a sign.
By the end of page 1 IBD is ruled out.
I never made any diagnosis but gave the op a video to compare to to help them make an informed decision.
Snakesitter must own a pet store and got burned by a crappy vets diagnosis or was dumb enough to spend a huge chunk of cash based on someones guess. Now he's taking it out on me.
Quick to hear and slow to listen, can't admit being wrong, always trying to get in the last word, failure to grasp what is clearly written ect. ect. Are all signs of net rage.
He clearly had no recourse against what happened in his case and takes it out on others. Not to bright at all
Also I was not the only one who thought it was valid to look at ibd as a possibility. Others posted about it too. Maybe Snakesitter just saw IBD and had a moment of net rage before reading anything else. Again ,sad sad sad

Should we provide him with a butthurt form?



~Maggot