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12-14-14, 02:42 PM
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Re: Help indentifying a snake
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What makes you guys think it's an obsoletus and not a spiloides?
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There's just know mistaking it. It's a dark Pantherophis obsoletus for sure. .
If you search on google images Pantherophis obsoletus, the first few pictures are exactly what the snake is on the thread.... If you type the common name you may not see the pictures I'm talking about.
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12-14-14, 04:18 PM
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Re: Help indentifying a snake
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There's just know mistaking it.
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I'm not so sure about that. There's seems to be a lot of discussion even with scientists on where to draw the line on the different rat snake species. I'm not saying you're wrong, I'd just like to know which features distinguish this from spiloides in your mind. The colors between "black", "gray", and "texas" ratsnakes seem to vary and overlap a LOT to me. It seems they're separated more by geography than anything.
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12-14-14, 09:07 PM
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Re: Help indentifying a snake
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I'm not so sure about that. There's seems to be a lot of discussion even with scientists on where to draw the line on the different rat snake species. I'm not saying you're wrong, I'd just like to know which features distinguish this from spiloides in your mind. The colors between "black", "gray", and "texas" ratsnakes seem to vary and overlap a LOT to me. It seems they're separated more by geography than anything.
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It just looks like a obsoleta to me in every way. It's just one of those things where when you have seen enough of them it's just obvious, know what I mean? It's like how some people can't tell the difference between C.atrox and C.scutaltus. To me they look nothing alike.
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12-15-14, 01:19 PM
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Re: Help indentifying a snake
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It just looks like a obsoleta to me in every way. It's just one of those things where when you have seen enough of them it's just obvious, know what I mean? It's like how some people can't tell the difference between C.atrox and C.scutaltus. To me they look nothing alike.
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I totally agree. After 30 years and having seen thousands of these, my best guess is a obsoleta. Its just an experience thing.
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12-16-14, 09:34 PM
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Re: Help indentifying a snake
I think it's a black rat, or something very related to it.
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12-18-14, 08:08 AM
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Re: Help indentifying a snake
Can't view the images in mobile without downloading them.
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