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12-12-14, 01:57 PM
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Help indentifying a snake
Hello,
I'm not much of a snake person, but a friend of mine works in an animal shelter and they had recently this one delivered and we were wondering what species it might be. It has since been handed off to people more suited to taking care of it. Here are a couple of pictures:
https://pliki.gnite.pl/public.php?se...7783410066483a
I hope someone might recognize it.
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12-12-14, 06:11 PM
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Re: Help indentifying a snake
Not sure but it looks cool. Possibly a smooth snake but the patterning is off. One of four native Polish species which is why I mention it but I can't say for sure. Definitely appears to be a colubrid. Hopefully someone more knowledgeable in colubrids will come along.
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12-12-14, 07:00 PM
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Re: Help indentifying a snake
I don't know much about Polish snakes but it doesn't look like any of them to me. It looks like a New World Rat Snake to me. Eastern or Western Rat Snake. Could you tell us exactly where it was found?
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12-12-14, 08:07 PM
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Re: Help indentifying a snake
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Originally Posted by FWK
I don't know much about Polish snakes but it doesn't look like any of them to me. It looks like a New World Rat Snake to me. Eastern or Western Rat Snake. Could you tell us exactly where it was found?
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I agree. My first thought was a Rat Snake of some kind.
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12-12-14, 10:07 PM
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Re: Help indentifying a snake
Pantherophis obsoletus
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12-12-14, 10:18 PM
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Re: Help indentifying a snake
Looks like a gray rat snake to me. You aren't in the U.S.?
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12-12-14, 10:43 PM
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Re: Help indentifying a snake
It's a dark Pantherophis obsoletus for sure.
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12-12-14, 11:28 PM
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Re: Help indentifying a snake
I can't seem to view the image =/
Edit: nvm, figured it out =)
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12-13-14, 01:43 AM
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Re: Help indentifying a snake
Interesting, there's definitely a resemblance. In that case it would have to have been somebodies pet and either escaped or been set loose. Thanks for your help guys.
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12-13-14, 08:35 AM
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Re: Help indentifying a snake
Oh and to answer the question about where it was found - it was lying on the grass in a park on a cold day, barely alive, almost like hibernating or something. It seems to have gotten better, but I don't have more details as to what happened later. And yes, that's in Poland. Thanks again.
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12-13-14, 10:36 AM
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Re: Help indentifying a snake
Crazy. I have never seen an Old World Rat Snake that looked anything like that. CrotalusR#1 seems convinced it is a Western Rat Snake and I see no reason to disagree. I don't know what it is dong in Poland though. It does not look like an animal that has enjoyed the cushy captive life, its nose is obviously heavily scarred. Maybe it made the trip as a stowaway or someone picked it up on a trip to the U.S. and it escaped once they got it back to Poland? Who knows. I'll do more studying when I have time but for now I'm sticking with Western Rat Snake.
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12-13-14, 07:41 PM
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Re: Help indentifying a snake
A scarred nose could be from rubbing on a screen top enclosure.
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12-13-14, 08:18 PM
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Re: Help indentifying a snake
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A scarred nose could be from rubbing on a screen top enclosure.
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Yes, I suppose under certain circumstances. But I would expect scarring caused by rubbing would most likely occur on the tip of the nose and be relatively uniform, not across the top of the nose and irregular. The rostral scale should be worn down by rubbing but looks to be largely intact. The scarring seen on this animal appears to be from cuts and scratches, consistent with live prey fighting to get away. Boomslangs are infamous for rubbing, you can probably find pictures of them with rubbing damage for reference.
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12-13-14, 08:41 PM
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Re: Help indentifying a snake
Agreed it is definitely a Pantherophis obsoletus.
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12-14-14, 10:12 AM
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Re: Help indentifying a snake
What makes you guys think it's an obsoletus and not a spiloides?
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