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Old 02-17-13, 01:08 PM   #1
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Oh my god

So I got a job at a local rescue for reptiles and I was excited, a good friend of mine went with and we thought we'd have fun right! We were SO excited. Its a ways out and I drove there but when I got there I was a but disappointed but thought EH it will get better right? No. Oh my god guys I cried buckets for hours. I cried so much I just decided to go get the rest of my tat finished because my brain thought the pain would take my mind off of it. I emailed the phoenix rescue about it and they are working on it. Oh my god. Oh my god oh my god. So here is the email I sent to the phoenix herp rescue:


I arrived there and the smell was over whelming, I expected a somewhat better facility . No it was a guys trailer. And I have nothing agaisnt mobile homes but they do not have the space for animals inside. Instead no, they were outside, facing the sun. Here is how the following animals were kept.

The big torts were kept in filth and garbage so thick it made me gag and puke and just feel ill. The garbage rotted and left a thick pool of rotten "water?" The muck and mud under the garbage was over a foot thick. There was not enough room for the 4 to 5 torts roaming around in there, without bumbing into one another. The also had plastic and tiwistiy ties in their food, I saw one deficating with plastic in its feces.

Iggies were kept in a FILTHY no humidity no uvb set up, he says he keeps up to 30 to 40 at a time in there. The water is ice cold and I had to rescue one out. It is missing its bottom jaw. The restare grey colored and stuck shed from many many seasons. Garbage everywhere, it was over 300 pounds of filth I mucked out. Eggs strone everywhere, gargabe was in hammock. NO UVB. NONE. Few climbing devices. Most were too rickety for the larger ones to use. Some has ulcers on their skin from the dryness.


Carpet pythongs, kept like petstore beardies, No humidity, all were THIN and brown from lack of shedding. I was unable to get picures of them because he became suspicious. They were languishing in SAND and it was well above 100 degrees and NO humidity for them. They need help. They are emaciated and dehydrated.


Boas had facial deformations, a few were blind from MANY YEARS of stuck eye caps, they were blind. When asking him where the red tail went he didnt know his quote and I swear "Huh I have no clue where my red tail went he must have been the one that died" to my responce "why'd he die?" he repiled " ahhh sometimes it just happens". Also one of the females was so badly skinny I doubt she can be saved. If she has a chance, the thinnest one I would really Like her. The one with the stuck eyecaps needs vet cae asap. I was able to remove the shed from the nose so she could breathe. Ones face is messed up so bad I believe it affects her hoe she eats. She needs vet care ASAP- their waterdish was a cold 55 gallon rusty drum that they had to struggle to get out of, the thin one almost drowned.

Bearded dragon left outside with only one light, which isnt UVB, one climbing branch and nothing else.

Bull snake kept as above.

He keeps pack rats for food- pack rats have NO WATER and are huddled together in a corner scared to death shaking, there is no shelter or food seen for them.


Native tort kept in a plastic container with one airslit no water "just to get him some sun hahahaha". No. No NO NO. NO NO NO. I bet he leaves it like that every day sitting in the hot sun. It was trying to escape, you could see it in its eyes it wanted out.


Tegu kept in solid glas front case with no burrowing ability, humidity matching that of outside and NOTHING to escape the 140 inside. Yes, I measured with a temp gun. He says its a year old but its as small if not smaller than babies ive seen elsewhere. No water either. Tegu is also terribly afraid of anyone.



here are the pictures

Rotten veggies with plastic ties and metal ties, underneath is just sludge and filth and mold- no real room to move- the torts have ulcers on them and their bottoms are rotting (carapeice?) they also have breathing issues.




the iggies had the same filth but I mucked it out then had chantha take this pic- there is no uvb bulb, its over 110 in there, the water is ice cold, their skin is FU*#$*#$ED to hell and back and they all have ulcers- one is missing half its face and is so thin you see every bone in its body




smaller torts but same condition as larger ones, filth and much with NO water.



Tegu, damn thing is a year old and the size of a hatchling, he feats it ground beef and eggs, and iguana eggs. Its 140 degrees in there, no uvb bulb, no burrow to escape, always scared, is emaciated and dehydrated not to mention suffering- no escape from the sun.



I have cried buckets and buckets, I am so upset I have no clue- its just awful- none have humidity. I am contacting everyone and doing everything I can on my end. PLEASE list advice. PLEASE. I just, ugh I just dont know.

its this place D&M's Reptile Rescue & Rehabilitation

everything you see on their page is a LIE, they dont give them vet care. He says he uses orange grove animal hospital, which is who helped try and save my snake. I know that has to be a lie. My dr wouldnt allow those animals to live like that. Please tell me who else I can call, this has to be fixed.
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Old 02-17-13, 01:56 PM   #2
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go viral on facebook.

call every single government faction that will listen, animal control, PETA, call them all.

Don't give up.

Post this on every forum out there.

The tort forum would be a good place to post also.

tweet it on twitter, call your local TV news, send them an email with the pictures.
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Definitely get the word out.
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go viral on facebook.

call every single government faction that will listen, animal control, PETA, call them all.

Don't give up.

Post this on every forum out there.

The tort forum would be a good place to post also.

tweet it on twitter, call your local TV news, send them an email with the pictures.
ive called every animal control in 100 miles, im working hard to get things fixed, would you mind posting the tort forums you are recommending? Id love to post there as well.

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Im trying every way i can even getting family envolved
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I am a member there too....

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I would also contact there sponsors.
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i posted there, i apologize if i did or posted anything in the wrong space, would you get the word out? Id love the most advice i could get

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In the process, im already exhausted, ugh its so hard but im plugging along.
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I see how much you care for all things! But you will probably make your self ill doing it all by your self. So I have also posted on a few sites that I visit from time to time never know we might bump into each other.

Good look and keep us updated with replies etc
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Hey, here's a thought.
while the conditions are tragic and inexcusable
Why don't you do the job you were hired for?....get back and start cleaning up and getting the conditions right. Be proactive.
Calling the authorities will only get these animals confiscated and subsequently either destroyed or placed in another substandard home.
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She never said that she wouldn't did she?
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She never said that she wouldn't did she?
No I quit outright, i got there signed some paperwork, found out I would get paid only if he got enough money to do so. So ef that. and to doberman, how bout no. For once I am at an emotional point I could beat someone with a razor wire wrapped bat. So NO i will no go work for a man who makes me do all the hard labor while he laughs at my attempts with no gratitude and the conditions like they are. No. Just no.
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No I quit outright, i got there signed some paperwork, found out I would get paid only if he got enough money to do so. So ef that. and to doberman, how bout no. For once I am at an emotional point I could beat someone with a razor wire wrapped bat. So NO i will no go work for a man who makes me do all the hard labor while he laughs at my attempts with no gratitude and the conditions like they are. No. Just no.
LOL.......... As I was typing that the little voice in my head was saying let all the animals out so they can kick his ***.
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Right..... so you wanted to show up, have all the conditions perfect, pet the reptiles and get paid?
Look. obviously there is work to do there - for the sake of the animals welfare. In the time you spent taking pictures, crying, and getting your tattoo finished then going online to get somebody in trouble and to get other people (authorities) to handle the situation, making phone calls etc. contacting sponsors who may now revoke their support which may have been the only way of getting these animals fed..... you could have got those cages cleaned up, filled water bowls, and gave fresh food - that was your job right????
Its obvious the guy got behind in the duties, hence why he would have posted a job offer.
Sorry, this isn't the warm and fuzzy supportive post you were looking for. I'm old school and see the way things are going these days with the young crowd and their perspective on things. Nothings getting done because too many people are spending time trying to get other people to do things for them.
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I have to say that I am upset that you walked out. I would have done the job I signed up for being paid or not. It is the animals that matter not your feelings. I would have taken photo's of the before and after as well as documented everything wrong that I could. After I was done doing my job, then I would see what I could do to ensure these animals wouldn't be put back into that situation. I could have never left the animals in that condition no matter what the reason was.
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Right..... so you wanted to show up, have all the conditions perfect, pet the reptiles and get paid?
Look. obviously there is work to do there - for the sake of the animals welfare. In the time you spent taking pictures, crying, and getting your tattoo finished then going online to get somebody in trouble and to get other people (authorities) to handle the situation, making phone calls etc. contacting sponsors who may now revoke their support which may have been the only way of getting these animals fed..... you could have got those cages cleaned up, filled water bowls, and gave fresh food - that was your job right????
Its obvious the guy got behind in the duties, hence why he would have posted a job offer.
Sorry, this isn't the warm and fuzzy supportive post you were looking for. I'm old school and see the way things are going these days with the young crowd and their perspective on things. Nothings getting done because too many people are spending time trying to get other people to do things for them.


No, he didnt get behind, he has NO EFIN clue how to house them or even take care of them, the phoenix herp society has gotten too many calls but with no pics they cant do crap. So you bugger off. Stop starting drama on me. I did what I thought was right so ef off.
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