Surface and Air Temps

Calihusker · 01-21-13, 06:53 PM

Now, we shortly discussed this topic in a thread I posted awhile back, because I thought my PE-2 was a bit off.

This is more focused on the actual subject, but if needed, feel free to merge it back into the other post.

So basically, if I want my air temps to be at 89 degrees Fahrenheit, I set my thermostat to 89 degrees. My probe is right where the heat pad conducts its heat. The probe reads 89 no problem, and my thermostat is proportional. Only problem is that the surface temps become 105 or so... Is this suitable for my boa? Thanks guys.

Cheers.

poison123 · 01-21-13, 07:36 PM

105 is perfectly fine. He may not use is but it wont hurt to offer it.

dshin963 · 01-21-13, 08:28 PM

I do not own a boa but I was under the impression that Boas required a 90-95 hot spot... not 105.... and an ambient of 80-85 not 89...(only boa I own is my BRB and they require a slightly lower temp with higher humidity...)

Calihusker · 01-21-13, 09:45 PM

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Originally Posted by dshin963

I do not own a boa but I was under the impression that Boas required a 90-95 hot spot... not 105.... and an ambient of 80-85 not 89...(only boa I own is my BRB and they require a slightly lower temp with higher humidity...)

I do not want the hotspot to be 105, but it's the only way for my ambient temp to reach 86 :/

(I've had my thermostat set to 86 instead of 89 for the past three days because I don't want to risk the hotspot getting wayyy to hot)

poison123 · 01-21-13, 10:01 PM

What exactly is the risk if you have a high basking spot if you have a cool spot? I know people who have 100+ basking for there boas and it is used constantly. Anyway have you sealed the enclosure?

Calihusker · 01-21-13, 10:02 PM

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Originally Posted by poison123

What exactly is the risk if you have a high basking spot if you have a cool spot? I know people who have 100+ basking for there boas and it is used constantly. Anyway have you sealed the enclosure?

I use bins.

poison123 · 01-21-13, 11:15 PM

Ah ok i see. And your using a heat pad?

EmbraceCalamity · 01-21-13, 11:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Calihusker

I do not want the hotspot to be 105, but it's the only way for my ambient temp to reach 86 :/

(I've had my thermostat set to 86 instead of 89 for the past three days because I don't want to risk the hotspot getting wayyy to hot)

If the ambient is supposed to be 80-85 (just going by what that person said), then why keep it at 86 if you're concerned it's too hot?

~Maggot

KORBIN5895 · 01-22-13, 01:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Calihusker

I do not want the hotspot to be 105, but it's the only way for my ambient temp to reach 86 :/

(I've had my thermostat set to 86 instead of 89 for the past three days because I don't want to risk the hotspot getting wayyy to hot)

This is why I prefer radiant heat panels.

infernalis · 01-22-13, 02:07 AM

As politely as possible, it's commonly 100+ in those jungles.

I spent 3 weeks in Brasil and it was sweltering there, when I stepped off the first plane in Rio, it felt exactly like it does when I open my monitor cage.

The herps in Ubatuba were quick, they could get out the way fast.

Now, think this through a little, when we see boas and pythons in nature documentaries, we see them moving about hunting and exploring, moving right along.

Why is it considered standard practice to keep them cooler?? is this like the magic number where they slow down enough to be manageable without being low enough to cause harm??

I'm just confused why folks are so concerned about one or two or even 20 degrees.

Corey209 · 01-22-13, 02:16 AM

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Originally Posted by infernalis

As politely as possible, it's commonly 100+ in those jungles.

I spent 3 weeks in Brasil and it was sweltering there, when I stepped off the first plane in Rio, it felt exactly like it does when I open my monitor cage.

The herps in Ubatuba were quick, they could get out the way fast.

Now, think this through a little, when we see boas and pythons in nature documentaries, we see them moving about hunting and exploring, moving right along.

Why is it considered standard practice to keep them cooler?? is this like the magic number where they slow down enough to be manageable without being low enough to cause harm??

I'm just confused why folks are so concerned about one or two or even 20 degrees.

When I had my ATB I had one basking point that was always around 100-105 which was his perch that he enjoyed being by, while the lower end was around 80. He grew at a good rate, ate weekly and shed properly. Reminds me I need to send a message to the guy and find out how the ATB is doing.

I agree with you that temperatures really shouldn't matter for a few degrees but only if you supply a cold side for them to cool off.

Some snakes I think are more sensitive to it though, Al or Viperkeeper on youtube lost a few snakes when one of his devices to control temperatures failed on him.

infernalis · 01-22-13, 02:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Corey209

Al or Viperkeeper on youtube lost a few snakes when one of his devices to control temperatures failed on him.

Ugh... He posted a video on youtube of a Savannah Monitor tethered to a chair with a dog water bowl.

when I contacted him he went postal, called me an armchair expert and blocked me.

arrogant would be an understatement.

Corey209 · 01-22-13, 02:29 AM

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Originally Posted by infernalis

Ugh... He posted a video on youtube of a Savannah Monitor tethered to a chair with a dog water bowl.

when I contacted him he went postal, called me an armchair expert and blocked me.

arrogant would be an understatement.

I saw that but I had known literally nothing about monitors at the time. He always seemed to know what he's doing but in almost every video does something that seems like it wouldn't be in protocol but I never deal with hots so I wouldn't know.

He seems to be well respected though.

KORBIN5895 · 01-22-13, 03:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by infernalis

As politely as possible, it's commonly 100+ in those jungles.

I spent 3 weeks in Brasil and it was sweltering there, when I stepped off the first plane in Rio, it felt exactly like it does when I open my monitor cage.

The herps in Ubatuba were quick, they could get out the way fast.

Now, think this through a little, when we see boas and pythons in nature documentaries, we see them moving about hunting and exploring, moving right along.

Why is it considered standard practice to keep them cooler?? is this like the magic number where they slow down enough to be manageable without being low enough to cause harm??

I'm just confused why folks are so concerned about one or two or even 20 degrees.

The main reason I think we use lower temps is because these snakes don't have 105°f all year long. Yeah it was like that for three weeks but not for the whole year. Most keepers are looking to set a temperature and to leave it.

Another reason why you don't want high temps all of the time is that a snakes metabolism is affected by temperature. So a higher temp will keep a snakes metabolism running at full tilt all the time which isn't healthy for them.

SSSSnakes · 01-22-13, 06:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Corey209

I saw that but I had known literally nothing about monitors at the time. He always seemed to know what he's doing but in almost every video does something that seems like it wouldn't be in protocol but I never deal with hots so I wouldn't know.

He seems to be well respected though.

So was the Crocodile Hunter and he was the most careless snake handler I have seen. People like to watch careless handlers and call handlers that are cautious sissy for following safety precautions.