Cruelty...

Kaetlinv · 09-23-12, 09:59 AM

This is just outright cruelty... I'm not even disgusted by this persons actions, I'm just torn and upset... I'm saving the image and copying all the text, in case she decides to delete this. This is just outright cruel.

Not going to copy the names, but if you get to see them please don't call anyone out directly. If you do, do not mention me. I'm already trying to talk to the OP and at least get her to realize that she just killed in innocent animal....

If this isn't in the right place, please bump it. I'll admit I didn't search thoroughly for a proper place, I'm kinda choked up about this....What hurts as well is that I know her personally

Facebook

OP: "This is exactly why I am not enjoying the pool on this warm Georgia day!"

Comments below;

person1: " oh c'mon Chris, it's just a snake! In Virginia in the creek in our back yard we had cottonmouths. He was pretty

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OP: "I believe this IS a juvenile water moccasin, which are very much venomous!"

person1: "cotton mouths are just another name for water mocassin...but the stripes and coloring doesn't appear to strike me as a water mocassin...but you'll find them in dark waters so be careful!"

person2: "dinner"

person3: " I'd be worried too! Someone is chopping the head off of the wild life in your yard!

Actually, this creeps me out."

OP: "Yes Linds you are correct. It resembles the pics of a juvenile and I'm not taking any chances!"

person3: "Was he swimming?"

OP: " The headless thing is Dave trying to get it away from him. At the time he spotted it, it was a mere 2 feet from him and they were both in the pool.
The snake or Dave?!?!?!? Snake swam one way and Dave about broke his foot going the other!"

person3: " About breaking your foot beats losing your head any day! I'd say Dave won this one."

Myself: "Didnt need to kill the little thing...couldve called animal control. There was no need for this little guy to have died.

even a poisonous snake deserves to be relocated rather than die...it was probably more scared of you all than you were of it, hence it swimming the opposite way..."

OP: "My husband had his own methods of "poison control" and it didn't cost him $"

Myself: "So you have absolutely no care whatsoever for the life that was just taken from that animal. It was a baby. Yes, it was potentially poisonous but you guys werent sure. If you didnt want to spend money, you couldve left it to run away. It wasnt out to get you, it was trying to escape. If it was out to bite you it wouldve done so in the pool. This is just cruelty, this snake didnt need to die...."

infernalis · 09-23-12, 10:03 AM

the page is already taken down.

mykee · 09-23-12, 10:08 AM

I kill spiders and earwigs in my house all the time. Is there really a difference? I see nothing wrong with this at all, in any way. We feed rodents to our reptiles without even considering the amount of death that is necessary to maintain our collection.
Oh well, a snake was killed. I killed almost 250 rodents last week alone.

Kaetlinv · 09-23-12, 10:08 AM

I just did about 5 minutes of research. Pretty sure what they killed isn't a cottonmouth... It looked like a juvenile northern water snake, based off this page here;

Cottonmouths and the Harmless look-a-like Snakes

The pattern on the beheaded snake changes like this one does. :/

alessia55 · 09-23-12, 10:14 AM

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Originally Posted by mykee

I kill spiders and earwigs in my house all the time. Is there really a difference? I see nothing wrong with this at all, in any way. We feed rodents to our reptiles without even considering the amount of death that is necessary to maintain our collection.
Oh well, a snake was killed. I killed almost 250 rodents last week alone.

Killing the rodents is necessary in order to feed your snakes. Killing this one snake in the wild was...not necessary.

Kaetlinv · 09-23-12, 10:16 AM

It must be her privacy settings, then.

As for the killing of rodents and earwigs, this actually came up between me and my roommate last night; yes, it's all a matter of perspective, and some people consider backyard snakes to be pests. Some people love insects and won't harm a single invertebrate.

I guess what I'm upset about is that I know her, and I don't remember her being like this. She doesn't have small children to worry about getting bit (unless she popped one out and didn't blab it out all over facebook or to my mother, which is unlikely as she's a bit of a chattermouth), from some of her pictures she may have small animals to worry about, and her and her husband. Obviously I can't change what happened, It's just personally upsetting. I didn't realize I knew her until this morning - she recently got married and her last name changed, and her profile picture isn't recognizable to her.

Another point that upsets me is that, from my interpretation thus far, the snake had been trying to flee. Yes, people chase down spiders and bugs in their home to 'get rid' of them. But this snake was outside, not trapped indoors. Other than girlish fear, there was no reason to kill this snake. Especially since it wasn't trying to bite them... From what I've read about cottonmouths, they let you know when they're near you by opening up their mouths, but seldom 'chase' people down. Well this snake didn't do either? And it doesn't look like a baby cottonmouth, at least not to my amateur eye.

Snickers · 09-23-12, 10:24 AM

On the topic of cruelty, I saw someone on FB posting a picture of her forcing a snake to smoke a cigarette. This is a link to the FB picture.

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alessia55 · 09-23-12, 10:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Snickers

On the topic of cruelty, I saw someone on FB posting a picture of her forcing a snake to smoke a cigarette. This is a link to the FB picture.

Facebook

That person's FB privacy settings do not allow us to see the image. But you could right-click on the image, click "copy image address", and then post that here.

DavethePython · 09-23-12, 10:26 AM

While we have very few native species of snakes where I live in northern BC, 3 I believe is all we have this far north , an act line this would have resulted in a fine of up to $5000 ( maybe more depending on the species) and 6 months in jail . It is illegal to kill a native species here . Granted there is no confusion here as we do not have venomous snakes this far north but the few species we do have are highly protected . Even picking up a garter snake could be punishable by law .

Lankyrob · 09-23-12, 10:28 AM

Its similar here (even tho we have only two native snakes) - the killing of any animal would result in a minimum of a hefty fine and a possible ban on keeping animals in the future if not a jail sentence.

Kaetlinv · 09-23-12, 10:31 AM

I just did a quick search on georgia state laws on snakes....

http://www.forestry.uga.edu/outreach...er%20Snake.pdf

"Brown water snakes are considered common and have no federal protection status. However, in the state of Georgia, all non-venomous snakes are protected by law and may not be taken, injured, or killed. This is particularly important to remember because brown water snakes are often mistaken for venomous cottonmouths (Agkistrodon piscivorus), which are often found in similar habitat. Because of the public’s fear of venomous snakes and an inability to differentiate brown water snakes from cottonmouths, many brown water snakes are killed for no reason."

Lankyrob · 09-23-12, 10:32 AM

In that case get the authorities involved, they can hardly deny it as they have given photographic evidence!!

Kaetlinv · 09-23-12, 10:35 AM

I'm in washington - and I'm hesitant to get involved, mainly because I know her personally. Not for fear of me losing her friendship, but from her taking the anger out on my mom. the only way I would call the authorities is to do so anonymously, but I doubt that could be done now that i've posted on her picture.

I'll see if I can toss them an email of it, but I'm nervous about doing so. I'm from washington, not georgia.

mykee · 09-23-12, 11:02 AM

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"Killing the rodents is necessary in order to feed your snakes. Killing this one snake in the wild was...not necessary. "

It is not necessary that we own snakes though.
Is a snake "more important" than a rodent?
Yes? Because it's bigger? What about a cow or a pig?
I kill 6,000 rodents a year to keep my collection alive and well fed. It is my CHOICE to keep the animals I do, so it is completely unnecessary for these rodents to die if it weren't for my desire to keep and breed snakes.
No difference to me.
To keep this thread on the cutting edge, I love my dogs more than any living creature, but I cast no dispersions on those who eat dogs in Asia.

alessia55 · 09-23-12, 11:06 AM

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Originally Posted by mykee

It is not necessary that we own snakes though.
Is a snake "more important" than a rodent?
Yes? Because it's bigger? What about a cow or a pig?
I kill 6,000 rodents a year to keep my collection alive and well fed. It is my CHOICE to keep the animals I do, so it is completely unnecessary for these rodents to die if it weren't for my desire to keep and breed snakes.
No difference to me.
To keep this thread on the cutting egde, I love my dogs more than any living creature, but I cast no dispersions on those who eat dogs in Asia.

I agree with you. So much so that I've written papers about why it is immoral to kill an animal for us to eat it before the animal's natural death. I could go on forever. But I won't

What I meant is, that in that moment, killing the snake was probably overkill (no pun intended) considering the situation.