starting to get into breeding, any good morphs?

DeesBalls · 02-14-12, 04:36 PM

what are some good base morphs of royals to get started with... im thinking of:

pastel(have)
mohave
spider
pinstripe
a few hets (have 1 het albino, 1 het albino pos het pied)

you think anything else would be good to start breeding??

my eventual plans are ot make an albino Pied... also looking to make a little money, nothing amazing, jsut a little cash

thanks for all help.

**millertime89** · 02-14-12, 05:47 PM

I'm an albino and axanthic fan personally.

Jay · 02-14-12, 05:53 PM

What's being produced in your area?

beardeds4life · 02-14-12, 06:11 PM

all those morphs are good to but i think it would be smart to invest in higher end morphs also i.e. high white pied and i think you should get a butter and a yellow belly. You could also save some space/money by buying animals with many genes in them so you have less to have/feed

Norm66 · 02-14-12, 06:21 PM

re: "higher end morphs also i.e. high white pied" it was my understanding that a pied was a pied so far as what it would produce. In other words a high white might produce low white offspring and vice-versa. I don't remember where I read that but I do remember it.

Obviously, multi gene animals will speed up the production of higher end (ie. more gene) animals.

As far as what morphs to get, two pieces of advice I've read are a) to decide what you want to produce and get morphs that will help toward that goal, and b) get morphs you personally find appealing by themselves. It'll be a lot more fun raising snakes that you think are cool than otherwise. I'm not sure we'll ever actually breed our snakes or not but I've purchased the ones that will help me produce my 'dream snake'.

**millertime89** · 02-14-12, 06:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Norm66

re: "higher end morphs also i.e. high white pied" it was my understanding that a pied was a pied so far as what it would produce. In other words a high white might produce low white offspring and vice-versa. I don't remember where I read that but I do remember it.

Obviously, multi gene animals will speed up the production of higher end (ie. more gene) animals.

As far as what morphs to get, two pieces of advice I've read are a) to decide what you want to produce and get morphs that will help toward that goal, and b) get morphs you personally find appealing by themselves. It'll be a lot more fun raising snakes that you think are cool than otherwise. I'm not sure we'll ever actually breed our snakes or not but I've purchased the ones that will help me produce my 'dream snake'.

re: pieds, its like a bell curve. Consider it on a scale of 1-10, 10 being best. Breed a 10 and a 5 and you'll get mostly 7s and 8s, with some approaching 10 and some approaching 5. Take one of those 7/8s and breed it with a 10 and you've moved the bell curve up. Sure you'll get some below 5 or 7 or whatever, but the likelihood of getting 10s increases. Just selective breeding.

The last bit is good advice, breed what you want that will give you what you want to produce.

DeesBalls · 02-14-12, 08:33 PM

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Originally Posted by millertime89

I'm an albino and axanthic fan personally.

i love albinos, i want to get into albinos... ie: albino pieds, albinos, albino spiders ect...

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What's being produced in your area?

honestly, not a clue...

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all those morphs are good to but i think it would be smart to invest in higher end morphs also i.e. high white pied and i think you should get a butter and a yellow belly. You could also save some space/money by buying animals with many genes in them so you have less to have/feed

dont really have the money to invest in a high end morph like that... im looking to spend in total maybe 1400... not all at one time, little by little...

i am looking for some double genes to get too or maybe like... a pastel het pied for expample, but cant find anything.

i know for a fact i want to breed something with albinos... thats what i love and thats what I want..

**millertime89** · 02-14-12, 08:47 PM

since you're breeding get something like a pastel het pied and a spider het pied.

DeesBalls · 02-14-12, 09:00 PM

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Originally Posted by millertime89

since you're breeding get something like a pastel het pied and a spider het pied.

i am looking for one

i really want something (f) het pied.. since my male is 50% pos. het pied..

jaleely · 02-14-12, 09:06 PM

How many generations of breeding will it take to get you what you want? Are you going to sell all of the babies, or are you going to get a snake that eats other snakes, to eat the ones you don't want? Are you going to breed siblings and parents together when you find a color or pattern you like, or are you going to breed snakes from different lines that you already have?
How long will it take to get the pairs you want to breed, up to breeding status? Are you going to breed males young? Are you going to power feed the females or wait until they weigh 1200grams or more...or are 3 years old?
Do you have the housing for all the babies? Incubators? Food for their first meals and for the parents?

After spending all the money on snakes, equipment and food, how long will it take you, and how many parings, before you make back your money plus profit?

DeesBalls · 02-14-12, 09:22 PM

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Originally Posted by jaleely

How many generations of breeding will it take to get you what you want?I am not sure
Are you going to sell all of the babies, or are you going to get a snake that eats other snakes, to eat the ones you don't want? sell them
Are you going to breed siblings and parents together when you find a color or pattern you like, or are you going to breed snakes from different lines that you already have? going to breed siblings/parents if needed to achieve my albino pied, since i have 2 hets to breed together, im sure it will take a while!!!
How long will it take to get the pairs you want to breed, up to breeding status? however long it takes to get up to wieght.. time is not a factor
Are you going to breed males young? no
Are you going to power feed the females or wait until they weigh 1200grams or more...or are 3 years old? probably 1500 grams, no powerfeed
Do you have the housing for all the babies? Incubators? Food for their first meals and for the parents?

After spending all the money on snakes, equipment and food, how long will it take you, and how many parings, before you make back your money plus profit? i have room for all the babies, i rhave a rack that can hold... 28 small tubs, and ill be getting another one too. so plenty of room not sure on how many pairing it will take, it will be an adventure, and food isnt a problem, i buy frozen in bulk, if they need live, i will have to start a colony.

great questions!! i will also get an incubator.. and again please guys, im very new to breeding, im still learning and reading about it, so if i say something stupid about pairings please dont hate

KORBIN5895 · 02-14-12, 10:44 PM

I saw a yellow belly male for $80 today. It was only a 2011 though. Too bad you weren't closer cause I could hook you up with fairly cheap royal morphs.

pythons9991 · 02-14-12, 10:53 PM

cheap isin't always good, you need to compare average prices of reputable breeders and if you find one much lower you need to wonder why it's so cheap, maybe not a bloodline of investment quality for a breeding project.....

Caylan · 02-14-12, 10:58 PM

Get a lesser or mojave het albino. Best albino project out their I think. Super mojave albinos are wicked and lesser albinos are like sunglows. Add to black pastel or het red axanthic(for super pattern later) for some extra contrast. My opinion, you asked for it lol. Caylan.S.

KORBIN5895 · 02-14-12, 11:07 PM

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Originally Posted by pythons9991

cheap isin't always good, you need to compare average prices of reputable breeders and if you find one much lower you need to wonder why it's so cheap, maybe not a bloodline of investment quality for a breeding project.....

I have connections.

Unfortunately for me I don't care for royals.