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[BurmeseGuy]

So I was looking through all the different Hybrids out there and man there are a ton of different combo's out there. I was wondering what everyone thought about people breeding all these different types of cross breeds. I think a lot of them are freaking amazingly beautiful but, what are the chances of these happening in the wild? With relation to where each species lives globally? Do you think it's ethically ok or not? Would you ever consider breeding some of your own personal snakes to come up with some of these wild creations, sort of Frankenstein type stuff if you ask me. Just kind of struck me as a topic that might get some talking going...I mean Super Dwarfism and Dwarfism is already out there and it seems to be taken by everyone it certainly isn't a Hybrid that doesn't make sense or even seem ethically challenging or wrong, it's something everyone has come to accept. Anyways just thought I'd get everyone's take on the subject.

[youngster]

Dwarfs in retics and BCIs are just localities. Some places get smaller than others. So they're no intergrading or hybridization in that.

[BurmeseGuy]

Originally Posted by youngster

Dwarfs in retics and BCIs are just localities. Some places get smaller than others. So they're no intergrading or hybridization in that.

While in theory you are correct Dwarfism it exists but in order to get Super Dwarfism it is Hybridization...so only part of your statement is true and factual. Island Dwarfism is phenomenon but the "Super" part comes from humans

[millertime89]

Originally Posted by BurmeseGuy

While in theory you are correct Dwarfism it exists but in order to get Super Dwarfism it is Hybridization...so only part of your statement is true and factual. Island Dwarfism is phenomenon but the "Super" part comes from humans

No, the Kayaudi locality retic naturally does not grow past 8 feet, usually 6. There is talk that they need to be a different subspecies from the Jamp retic because Jamps typically hit 12ish feet.

[CDN_Blood]

It's no secret that I think hybrids are the result of keepers with a total lack of ethics who are only out to tickle their own fancy or fill their pockets with ill-begotten cash.

I use the word Frankenstein to describe hybrids also - horrible monsters made from different pieces that don't naturally fit together and result in a creature that never should have been.

For the record, not everyone does accept these things - I don't, and I don't travel in circles that do accept such ideas. If someone I call a friend was to create a hybrid, they'd go straight to the Black List and be permanently ostracized; no question about that, no hesitation, no exceptions.

I've been around the block more times than I care to think about and I've seen this hobby change so radically in that time that my opinions have become really harsh and dogmatic, but even though I'm so adamant about stuff like this, I'm still glad there are people like myself out there. I just hope I'm not the last of my kind, lol.

Addendum: I should clarify that I'm strictly talking about hybrids and not intergrades. While I'm not totally on board with intergrades either, it's the hybrids that I'm dead-set against.

[BurmeseGuy]

Originally Posted by CDN_Blood

It's no secret that I think hybrids are the result of keepers with a total lack of ethics who are only out to tickle their own fancy or fill their pockets with ill-begotten cash.

I use the word Frankenstein to describe hybrids also - horrible monsters made from different pieces that don't naturally fit together and result in a creature that never should have been.

For the record, not everyone does accept these things - I don't, and I don't travel in circles that do accept such ideas. If someone I call a friend was to create a hybrid, they'd go straight to the Black List and be permanently ostracized; no question about that, no hesitation, no exceptions.

I've been around the block more times than I care to think about and I've seen this hobby change so radically in that time that my opinions have become really harsh and dogmatic, but even though I'm so adamant about stuff like this, I'm still glad there are people like myself out there. I just hope I'm not the last of my kind, lol.

Addendum: I should clarify that I'm strictly talking about hybrids and not intergrades. While I'm not totally on board with intergrades either, it's the hybrids that I'm dead-set against.

I know there are lots of people like you still out there man...and this is like an opinion thread you know I'm not looking for one "right answer" I want many if you know what I mean...while part of me agrees with you there is the other part that just simply enjoys looking at all the possibilities or outcomes if you will and just marvel at them. Some of them are just down right amazing but then I get that little tick goes off in my head and says, "is this right?" I won't lie though most of the time that thought gets smooshed by the radical morphs and hybridization that is taking place these days

[Necrias]

Originally Posted by CDN_Blood

It's no secret that I think hybrids are the result of keepers with a total lack of ethics who are only out to tickle their own fancy or fill their pockets with ill-begotten cash.

I use the word Frankenstein to describe hybrids also - horrible monsters made from different pieces that don't naturally fit together and result in a creature that never should have been.

For the record, not everyone does accept these things - I don't, and I don't travel in circles that do accept such ideas. If someone I call a friend was to create a hybrid, they'd go straight to the Black List and be permanently ostracized; no question about that, no hesitation, no exceptions.

I've been around the block more times than I care to think about and I've seen this hobby change so radically in that time that my opinions have become really harsh and dogmatic, but even though I'm so adamant about stuff like this, I'm still glad there are people like myself out there. I just hope I'm not the last of my kind, lol.

Addendum: I should clarify that I'm strictly talking about hybrids and not intergrades. While I'm not totally on board with intergrades either, it's the hybrids that I'm dead-set against.

Could you explain a bit more WHY you are so dead-set against hybrids? Generally speaking, the only health problem hybrids have to deal with is infertility, which I don't see as a huge negative in the grand scheme of things. If they were more prone to health issues I would completely agree with you, but I just don't see it. If anything, breeding jag carpets is more "unethical" than hybrids, considering the neurological issues present in some offspring.

That being said, I think carpondros are some of the most beautiful snakes on the planet, and am thinking about getting a GTP so that I may breed my own (too cheap to buy one!). Also, my girlfriend would love a burmball or a blood/superball, and I don't see us as particularly unethical.

[UwabamiReptiles]

The Big Topic: Hybrids. I've seen some pretty nasty threads when this topic has come up. The biggest issue people seem to have is that they don't want a hybrid being passed as a pure animal.

I personally like some of the hybrids out there and might even try for some in time. I think if someone does do it, then there is a certain way you must go about. Like record keeping and being 110% clear of what the animal is. As far as the ethics part of it, I don't think its a horrible thing to make hybrids. I understand where people are coming from that are opposed but it doesn't bother me personally. I guess I'm just part of the new school. Some of the hybrids out there are breathtaking IMO. I've seen some carpondros and jagpondros that were just knockouts.

On a another note, I don't know if its just me but it seems like all the hybrid discussion always revolves around the python hybrids. I'm pretty sure there are tons of more colubrid hybrids from what I've seen and it seems to never get the response the python hybrids do. I'm wondering what is everyone elses take on that.

[MoreliAddict]

our thoughts on hybrids

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[BurmeseGuy]

Originally Posted by BimthaS

our thoughts on hybrids

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Yeah pretty sure I said both, Hybrids and Crossbreeding Thanks though, good try...piece of advice...you don't like the thread don't post.

[Gungirl]

Originally Posted by BurmeseGuy

Yeah pretty sure I said both, Hybrids and Crossbreeding Thanks though, good try...piece of advice...you don't like the thread don't post.

Wow.. that was kind of rude. They where just showing you more opinions on part of the topic at hand.

[MoreliAddict]

Originally Posted by BurmeseGuy

Yeah pretty sure I said both, Hybrids and Crossbreeding Thanks though, good try...piece of advice...you don't like the thread don't post.

i was just pointing out a thread created a couple weeks ago in which hybrids and crossbreeding were discussed for 7 pages, not a personal attack

[BurmeseGuy]

Originally Posted by BimthaS

i was just pointing out a thread created a couple weeks ago in which hybrids and crossbreeding were discussed for 7 pages, not a personal attack

I found the (search bar) to be kind of rude and demeaning as if I were stupid or something

but if it was not a personal attack, then I apologize sorry I was on the phone and posted before putting this in...my bad

[UwabamiReptiles]

Originally Posted by BimthaS

our thoughts on hybrids

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Thanks BimthaS! I must of missed that thread. There were some good points made. Thanks

[Jenn_06]

some hybirds are cool looking but dont like them muddying up the water,