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04-27-11, 10:36 PM
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"breaking" a mood burm.
I've had a male albino burm for 5-6 months. Got him pretty quickly after he was born. He has been an A-hole since then. He's about 2' now. I hold him with leather gloves and love sleeves about once a week. He is a biter. After a few holdings without any attempted bites I thought I had got it. Then he snapped right at my eye. Was watching TV and all of a sudden it bit RIGHT next to my eyeball. All he does is stay in his hide and sleep. If he even see's a person in the room while he's out he burries his head under his own mass, puffs up, hisses loudly, and whips his back around.
I was curious the best way to "tame" him. I don't want to excessively handle him and stress him, but at the same time realize it's better to get a 2' snake to calm down than a 20' snake to calme down, and should do it earlier. I can hold him with gloves but even after a succesfull no attempted bite hold as soon as I put him in his tank he hisses and throws a fit at me.
Wanye do you mind adding a "y" to that mood.
Last edited by RandyRhoads; 04-27-11 at 10:44 PM..
Reason: Wayne can you add a Y to that mood lol.
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04-27-11, 10:41 PM
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Re: "breaking" a mood burm.
it may just take time and persistence. in some cases, nothing will work.
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04-27-11, 10:45 PM
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Re: "breaking" a mood burm.
What would be a good handling schedule? I don't want to stress him out. And I don't want to handle him to infrequently.
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04-27-11, 10:47 PM
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Re: "breaking" a mood burm.
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What would be a good handling schedule? I don't want to stress him out. And I don't want to handle him to infrequently.
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i would start with 2-3 times a week. i've been working with a rosy boa for over a year now. i've given up.
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04-27-11, 10:49 PM
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Re: "breaking" a mood burm.
 aw. Ok so 2-3 times wont stress him out and are a good ammount to try and break him. Thanks.
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04-27-11, 11:02 PM
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Re: "breaking" a mood burm.
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aw. Ok so 2-3 times wont stress him out and are a good ammount to try and break him. Thanks. |
i would start with that. never let your guard down and watch him at all times.
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04-27-11, 11:44 PM
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Re: "breaking" a mood burm.
Just snap him out of strike mode every time he goes into it. If he even makes an s coil, tap him on the head (not hard, literally tap) with your palm until he stretches back out. Any time he shows any sign at all of being in anything but explore mode or flight mode, tap him on the head. You'll get bitten many more times but it does work eventually. It's just a simple computer. It doesn't think, it just does whatever it's programmed to do. Some snakes have a higher tendency to bite, but if you keep snapping them out of it eventually they stop doing it because it never works. It's not an issue of the animal being aggressive because it has trust issues or anything like that. It's just got too many copies of 'mean snake.exe' running at the same time.
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04-28-11, 12:49 AM
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Re: "breaking" a mood burm.
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Originally Posted by mistersprinkles
Just snap him out of strike mode every time he goes into it. If he even makes an s coil, tap him on the head (not hard, literally tap) with your palm until he stretches back out. Any time he shows any sign at all of being in anything but explore mode or flight mode, tap him on the head. You'll get bitten many more times but it does work eventually. It's just a simple computer. It doesn't think, it just does whatever it's programmed to do. Some snakes have a higher tendency to bite, but if you keep snapping them out of it eventually they stop doing it because it never works. It's not an issue of the animal being aggressive because it has trust issues or anything like that. It's just got too many copies of 'mean snake.exe' running at the same time.
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99% of the time an S coil doesn't mean squat... and snapping them on the head when you think they are in "mean snake.exe" doesn't mean you are doing the right thing, it probably means your gona stress the snake out because he has no idea why the **** with 2 legs is hitting him now
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04-28-11, 08:35 AM
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Re: "breaking" a mood burm.
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snapping them on the head when you think they are in "mean snake.exe" doesn't mean you are doing the right thing, it probably means your gona stress the snake out because he has no idea why the **** with 2 legs is hitting him now
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exactly. bad behavior only breeds bad behavior.
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04-28-11, 09:51 AM
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Re: "breaking" a mood burm.
Make sure that when he bites you you DON'T put him back in the terrarium till he calms down!
Getting bitten by a 2' snake is a walk in the park, start working on it now because by the time hes a monster a bite puts you at risk and the snake at risk
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04-28-11, 07:39 PM
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Re: "breaking" a mood burm.
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exactly. bad behavior only breeds bad behavior.
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You don't hit them. You touch them on the head. About as hard as you'd press the space bar on your keyboard. It snaps the snake out of what it's doing.
I don't know why you guys keep attributing 'thought' to snakes. I like them as much as you do but they don't think. It works. The unexpected contact makes the snake react kind of like a roomba driving into a wall, it calmly starts to go in another direction, and if it was going to strike it comes out of it. It worked on the meanest BCI I've ever met. She was a good six feet.
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04-28-11, 08:01 PM
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Re: "breaking" a mood burm.
How long is too long or short? 5-10 minutes? An hour?
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04-28-11, 08:02 PM
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Re: "breaking" a mood burm.
We aren't saying your method doesn't work, we are saying
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Originally Posted by stephanbakir
99% of the time an S coil doesn't mean squat... and snapping them on the head when you think they are in "mean snake.exe" doesn't mean you are doing the right thing, it probably means your gona stress the snake out because he has no idea why the **** with 2 legs is hitting him now
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An S coil has nothing to do with aggression most of the time, and when you see something you think is aggression and try to correct it, your only working against yourself.
The easiest method of reducing bites is 1, not letting the snake get what he wants after a bite (don't ever put them back in the viv after they bite till they calm down, assuming you don't need to go to the hospital) and 2, keep him "happy" and follow all husbandry methods required by that animal.
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04-28-11, 08:03 PM
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Re: "breaking" a mood burm.
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How long is too long or short? 5-10 minutes? An hour?
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I normally wait 2-3 minutes, and i always make sure the snake is calm when i put him back in the viv
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04-28-11, 09:13 PM
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Re: "breaking" a mood burm.
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Originally Posted by mistersprinkles
You don't hit them. You touch them on the head. About as hard as you'd press the space bar on your keyboard. It snaps the snake out of what it's doing.
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yes, they love taps.
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I don't know why you guys keep attributing 'thought' to snakes. I like them as much as you do but they don't think.
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tell that to the dozens of hogs and grey banded kings i've converted over to rodents.
Last edited by sickvenom; 04-28-11 at 09:26 PM..
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