power feeding

[mo9e64]

this is a quote from someone who has been breeding monitors for thirty years over twenty species over generations-who did not go to Africa and study stomach contents of wild Sav's,and who feeds his monitors just crickets and mice.
"such terms such as power feeding,are naive(read stupid)terms when related to captive husbandry.What does that mean,feed the animal when hungry?So what the hack,if you are feeding an animal when it wants to eat and feeding it till it's not hungry,that is not power feeding,that is normal feeding,anything less is substandard." Frank Retes

The people who have followed his way are also having success and breeding monitors over more than 1 generation-as far as i know you guys haven't even bred monitors,not even Robert Spracklands illegimate son-that he's not even aware of.Forums are for different points of view,you all seem to have the same view-and have no real need to broaden your learning and anything i can learn from you isn't anything i can't learn from a book from the sixties.Anything you have that is new was developed by Frank Retes or people like him,i'll just go to the source-so this is not a good fit for me-this was my last post.Moderator please delete my account

[shaunyboy]

instead of giving up and deleting your acount would it not have been more hounorable and productive to stick around and help educate people ?????

i cannot speak on lizard's as its only morelia i work with i can however comment on your attitude of " i give up "

maybe if you had stuck around and helped to sway folk towards your methods backed with study's proof and hands on experience then people would have been more open to your view's and come round to your methods

now they will be thinking what a huffy guy who stomped off because some people wouldn't listen to him and the guy he takes his information from

power feeding in snakes
this has been proven to shorten lives and plays a part in producing more slugs than you would normally expect when breeding.

if allowed to a snake will eat to the point of being obese which will eventually lead to health problems...!!

cheers shaun

[Lankyrob]

Lol - i typed something almost identical and then thought "why bother" and didnt post it! Cant agree with you more Shaun - in effect he has totally discredited his own opinion.

[shaunyboy]

Originally Posted by Lankyrob

Lol - i typed something almost identical and then thought "why bother" and didnt post it! Cant agree with you more Shaun - in effect he has totally discredited his own opinion.

his post made me think of a sulking kid who has just been told by his mother he can't have something so goes away throwing a hissy fit stomping his feet

nowt as queer as folk mate

cheers shaun

[infernalis]

Thing is, Frank is a blow hard arse hole.. He owns land in Arizona where the climate almost matches that of the Savannah plains, He rams his point of view down everyones throat and has been kicked off more forums than most of us would care to join.

Once upon a time I listened to Frank.. But when he said this and I quote...

"You can feed them nails as long as you keep them warm enough"

Moe, I hate to tell you buddy, this forum is for the service of it's own members, we have a very tight knit "gated community" here, we are a collective of responsible herp keepers who want what is best for our animals, we are not necessarily here to please you or entertain ideas that just make no sense at all.

and by the way, the Daniel Bennett study was conducted in the year 2000, a whole lot more recently than you indicated in your post.

I have followed every post you have ever made here, and it is painfully apparent that every time someone argues with you in a thread, you feel a need to attempt and open another.

You posted this one right in the wake of a feeding debate on savs..

http://www.ssnakess.com/forums/varan...-monitors.html

The number of replies you received should be a great indicator of just how interested anyone is in entertaining your desires to seem knowledgeable.

Chompers thread was never a debate thread, never intended to be, it was nothing more than a picture showcase, until "someone" decided to challenge my husbandry.

Hey Mykee, I feed my BP chicken and scrambled eggs, he always eats it.. How am I doing taking care of him buddy???

nuff said.

[Max713]

I'm just going to go ahead and throw this out there, I love this forum

[Jay]

Same !! and I apologize for derailing chompers thread

[bighog85]

Originally Posted by mo9e64

so this is not a good fit for me-this was my last post.Moderator please delete my account

Break my heart, don't let the door smack you on your way out.

[Little Wise Owl]

Well, Mo9e64, I'd personally rather listen to nature and studies rather than a sketchy breeder who makes claims like what Infernalis posted about the feeding of nails.

You should try to get into the Varanus.nl forum. You'll learn a lot about proper monitor care and husbandry.

[infernalis]

An excellent resource, I quoted from them many times....

The Savannah Monitor, Varanus exanthematicus

[Little Wise Owl]

Agreed.

If and when I ever came into ownership of V. Exanthematicus, I'd follow that website and varanus.nl's information and advice.

[infernalis]

Originally Posted by jay0133

Same !! and I apologize for derailing chompers thread

Jay, your willingness to listen to logic and reason is better than any apology.

I appreciate you saying that, thanks. Shows consideration for others as well.

[Jay]

No problem. Fed Chomper some earth worms today he seemed to enjoy them, although I'm sure he would eat anything that moves

[infernalis]

Originally Posted by jay0133

No problem. Fed Chomper some earth worms today he seemed to enjoy them, although I'm sure he would eat anything that moves

In captivity they will. Not sure why, but they just will.

There was a woman once who fed hers canned tuna, it died at age 2.

[Jay]

Yuck canned, full of preservatives!! That cant be good. Can earthworms be fed as a weekly treat or monthly