Carpalls discussion

Ch^4 · 11-12-10, 12:09 PM

Hello all, I wasn't sure where to put this thread, so I threw it in here.

I just wanted to see what people thought about Carpalls (JCP x BP or any other combo of carpet x BP)?

I saw a picture the other day and was curious what the experts here had to say......this is slightly stemming from the posts on Carpondros.

I personally think they are nice looking snakes (BPs are very cute and come on, anything with carpet in the name is a gorgeous snake).

Thanks!

Freebody · 11-12-10, 12:54 PM

alot of people dont like mixing snakes that would never meet in the wild, but i think more people these days are into it. I for one am a fan on cross breeding, I was reading on burm balls and i hear they dont seem to live that long if i remember correctly. i dont know about carpet balls, i have seen womaballs, nothing much to look at IMHO. im going to look into it, i find this stuff interesting

marvelfreak · 11-12-10, 01:43 PM

Bateater are retic cross with Burmese.

Freebody · 11-12-10, 02:03 PM

i really like the bat eaters

i have been trying to find info on retic/carpet for a long time, but it seems no one has succesfully done it yet, makes me want to put my bella girl in with my adult jag and see if it works :P

presspirate · 11-12-10, 05:00 PM

I guess, I can't say that I would want to own one, but I am not against the concept. Just because they have not been observed in nature does not mean it could not happen in nature. I mean, every species that we know today came about from cross breeding. Thats evolution. As long as these cross breeds do not make it into the wild, I don't see a problem.

Freebody · 11-12-10, 05:13 PM

also, as long as its clearly stated what it is when it is sold to someone, and not being sold as pure.

Ch^4 · 11-12-10, 05:53 PM

Excellent feedback everyone, thanks for the info!

I do not plan on purchasing one, but was always fascinated by hybrids and thought I'd seek comments on the topic from the many herp-gurus on this forum!

percey39 · 11-12-10, 06:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Freebody

also, as long as its clearly stated what it is when it is sold to someone, and not being sold as pure.

That my friend is exactly why a lot of people dont like the hybrid idea. As you will produce normal looking offspring and the hobby is filled with untrustworthy people. In 30 years pure breeds in private collections COULD be a thing of the past if this situation is not handled properly by everyone doing it which will never happen.
I dont mind too much as eventually this will push the prices of pure snakes higher and higher, but you will have to know the right people to ever truely get what you pay for.

marvelfreak · 11-12-10, 07:12 PM

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Originally Posted by marvelfreak

Bateater are retic cross with Burmese.

For those who have never seen them here's some new born.

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(Not my pics.)

Will0W783 · 11-12-10, 07:23 PM

I think Carpalls and Bateaters are beautiful! My personal favorite is the blue Carpondro, however. I personally don't think there's really anything wrong with the hybrids, as long as they are sold and identified as such. They are generally so different from their pure parents that it would be hard to mix them up, but several generations distilled out might be tough.

shaunyboy · 11-12-10, 07:40 PM

theres a guy in the states crossed a carpet with a boelens.i look forward to seeing how it looks as an adult

as far as i know no one has managed to breed pure boelens outside indonesia

we can now get boelens for £2000 each over here

they live at very high altitudes and this seems to be the problem re breeding problems

ive also heard of but never seen a ball python crossed with a burmese python

burmballs

those bateaters are very cool looking snakes

so are jagpondro's especially albino's

cheers shaun

shaunyboy · 11-12-10, 07:44 PM

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Originally Posted by percey39

That my friend is exactly why a lot of people dont like the hybrid idea. As you will produce normal looking offspring and the hobby is filled with untrustworthy people. In 30 years pure breeds in private collections COULD be a thing of the past if this situation is not handled properly by everyone doing it which will never happen.
I dont mind too much as eventually this will push the prices of pure snakes higher and higher, but you will have to know the right people to ever truely get what you pay for.

i can see your point mate

i find doing it in places like the uk where theres NO chance of it interfearing with wild species is ok

i totally understand people being against it in countrys where they can survive if they escape

also chipping them over here would be a must to avoid mix ups

cheers shaun

percey39 · 11-12-10, 07:47 PM

There is deffinetely very normal looking snakes of both parents in clutch, to the untrained eye its nearly impossible to tell. It will be the new comers to the hobby that will suffer from this the most and thats the absolute worst thing that can happen!
Im partial to those bateaters very beautiful indeed!

I would be a advocate for shipping new species over your way Shaun to give you guy's more pure specimens and to help with getting new blood in ongoing projects. You would have ship some species back to me though lol Damn the government!!

Freebody · 11-12-10, 07:50 PM

i was waiting to get one before they changed the laws here, the guy i got my retic from was trying to breed a super dwarf retic to a female burm, did it a couple time already, but twice the eggs all came out as slugs, now large snakes over 9 feet are banned here so hes no longer pairing them, they are beautifull tho.

shaunyboy · 11-12-10, 07:55 PM

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Originally Posted by percey39

There is deffinetely very normal looking snakes of both parents in clutch, to the untrained eye its nearly impossible to tell. It will be the new comers to the hobby that will suffer from this the most and thats the absolute worst thing that can happen!
Im partial to those bateaters very beautiful indeed!

I would be a advocate for shipping new species over your way Shaun to give you guy's more pure specimens and to help with getting new blood in ongoing projects. You would have ship some species back to me though lol Damn the government!!

trust me mate the very second they changed the law we would be sending swapped snakes back and forth to each other on a monthly basis,if not sooner,haha

got a feeling we'd be eating scraps from macdonalds bins though after spending all our cash on snakes mate

cheers shaun