Disadvantages to large females and large clutch sizes??

Bristen · 12-20-04, 02:39 PM

ok, somebody told me via email that there are pros/cons to large females and large clutch sizes... I won't name any names, but they have high-end ball pythons and they post on ssnakess.com...

now I can definately understand the pros, but I just can't figure out what kind of cons there would be... Anybody going to help me out? I just can't figure it out.. higher food bill or something? Seems that the pros would far out-weight the cons??

I'm puzzled...

Thanks,
Bristen.

honduranfreekk · 12-20-04, 02:52 PM

Bristen when I had that talk with somebody here lol

I was puzzled also.
I just dont see the cons out-weighing the pros and will say the same thing here lol.
SEND ME ALL YOUR BIG FEMALES and I will GLADLY send you the cash for them and I will suffer the CONS

I also RESPECT this person and he should send me all his oversized females also

Bristen maybe WE are both missing something here

Kelvin@Brigitte

BOAS_N_PYTHONS · 12-20-04, 03:00 PM

KELVIN:

Step aside I want them first, lol.

Cya...

Tony

Jeff_Favelle · 12-20-04, 07:40 PM

If someone told you the cons, then why not tell us what they are and we can discuss them? I mean, if they already told you the cons, I don't get your question, LOL!

Unless of course they just said "there are cons to having females that are too large", and then didn't explain themselves?

CHRISANDBOIDS14 · 12-20-04, 07:47 PM

Lol....Yeah?

C.

Bristen · 12-20-04, 08:01 PM

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Originally posted by Jeff_Favelle
If someone told you the cons, then why not tell us what they are and we can discuss them? I mean, if they already told you the cons, I don't get your question, LOL!

Unless of course they just said "there are cons to having females that are too large", and then didn't explain themselves?

heh, come on Jeff.. didn't have your coffee yet? Of course I would not be asking if he had told me LOL!! You had it right in the last paragraph... he just said there where "pros and cons".. but did not specify any of either one...

I can easily think of plenty of "pros", but no "cons".. he doesn't want to tell me and it's driving me bananas! heh.. it's got me puzzled though... It's interesting to see for most people it's like "cons, what cons?"... so maybe he's making all of that up just to pull my chain, who knows ha!

Thanks,
Bristen.

ps: maybe I'll have to ask on the "other site"?? hmm.. and the quest for answers continues...

Jeff_Favelle · 12-20-04, 08:15 PM

A "reputable" tells you that there "are cons to breeding large female Ball Pythons", but then goes to say "I'm keeping it a secret, na na na na"???

Huh? Just walk away, not worth your time. LOL! If there's a con, say so. If not, then why be so cryptic about it?? If its an observation that he's had over many breedings, then awesome. SHARE! Everyone would like to know and maybe it can be of some benefit.

Sounds like a whole lot of effort going in to nothing. In fact, I wish I had the last 20 minutes of my life back...........

Bristen · 12-20-04, 08:24 PM

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Originally posted by Jeff_Favelle
A "reputable" tells you that there "are cons to breeding large female Ball Pythons", but then goes to say "I'm keeping it a secret, na na na na"???

Huh? Just walk away, not worth your time. LOL! If there's a con, say so. If not, then why be so cryptic about it?? If its an observation that he's had over many breedings, then awesome. SHARE! Everyone would like to know and maybe it can be of some benefit.

I don't know Jeff... I'm just the newb here on the ball python scene... not sure why it's not being shared... but we're just having a fun conversation... I'm not about to trade any big girls I have here for wigglers, I don't think so

Quote:

Originally posted by Jeff_Favelle
Sounds like a whole lot of effort going in to nothing. In fact, I wish I had the last 20 minutes of my life back...........

LOL!!! well, that was funny... sorry to have wasted 20 minutes of your life Jeff hehehe...

Later,
Bristen.

Jeff_Favelle · 12-20-04, 08:29 PM

Not you Bristen. I wasted it myself. That's the kicker.........

LOL!

hhw · 12-20-04, 08:55 PM

I don't know about BREEDING larger females, but there are definitely cons to BUYING larger females.

1) They could be WC
2) They cost a lot more
3) They may have been bred several seasons in a row, and may need a year off
4) Reputable breeder

Now obviously, you would want to deal with someone reputable so you don't get scammed. Problem is, a reputable breeder with big females are going to be too busy breeding them to sell them :P Heck, I'd be highly suspect of any breeder selling a large female for less than a small fortune.

Herpsrus · 12-20-04, 09:15 PM

This may be just a coincidence to the subject you are talking about. But, My 3800 gram female who usually gives 10-12 eggs no sweat, bacame egg bound with 2 eggs this pass season. She had the year before last off and she will have this season off. She is a big girl who eats rats without hesitattion.

Mike

paulsreef · 12-20-04, 09:54 PM

What did you do about it? If you saw a vet, can you refer me to them. Thanks, Paul.

Bristen · 12-21-04, 06:31 AM

hhw, those were good points.. never thought of the aspect of "buying" them... perhaps it was one or more of the points you mentionned he was thinking, I dunno.. at least I have something to chew on now heh...

Thanks for the reply,
Bristen.

Piers · 12-21-04, 08:30 AM

It took you 20 minutes to read and respond Jeff? Man I thought I was slow!lol You type the one finger way? I found that 2 fingers though much trickier is much faster once mastered.
Just sh-ts and giggles Jeff.
Piers

mannannan · 12-21-04, 08:39 AM

In an overly large (read heavy) female (or male for that matter), there's always the possibility of it being powerfed, and therefor will have shorter lifespan and less clutches maybe?
Just a thought...