? about ghost boas

varanus69 · 12-01-04, 05:39 PM

i am thinking of getting a ghost boa in the spring and have a few questions. I have seen ads for co-dom/dom ghosts and het for ghost. What is the difference, is there 2 types? From my limited understanding of genetics if a morph is a co-dom that there would be no hets. I will be planning to breed one into the albino gene and wasalso wondering what this would give me if its been done yet? Also i've seen one guy selling sunset boas and was wondering what combo makes these i was thinking they were hypoXanery's any ideas here is a link to his site with the pics of his sunsets.http://www.imageevent.com/SelectReps

reptiguy420 · 12-01-04, 05:44 PM

Did any one else get a chill after going to that site?Very nice.

BigDan · 12-01-04, 07:40 PM

Ghosts can be codom or dominant due to the fact they are salmons without the red due to the anery gene being expressed as well. Just like you can have salmons or super salmons you can have codom or dominant super ghosts.

With salmons you only need one salmon gene in order to express the trait therefore we call it codom. This can actually be termed the het condition for this particular trait.

A codom ghost is a ghost which has only one salmon/hypo gene, when bred to lets say an anery you would have 50% ghosts and 50% anerys.

This is the same if you bred a salmon to a normal colored boa.

A dominant ghost is a ghost that carries 2 salmon/hypo genes. If you bred it to and anery you would get all codom ghosts.

Think of it as breeding a super salmon to a normal you get all salmons.

If you bred a codom ghost to an albino you would produce 50%salmons triple het for snow (triple hets they express the salmon gene and carry the albino and anery genes) and 50% normal colored Double hets for snow. Yes it has been done before.

Sunset boas are line bred salmon/hypos X hog island crosses. They crossed a salmon/hypo with a hogg and then line bred the animals to get the super reduced markings and orange coloration.

Hope this helps

Dan

varanus69 · 12-01-04, 08:42 PM

Well i guess i will cross those off my list. Not what i thought they were and a little miss leading for my understanding of genetics.....If ghost were truely co-dom than you should have 50% ghosts in the first year not 50% hypo het for anery and 50% normal het for blah blah. Just another way for someone to create hype about what hes got for sale IMO. Only my $0.02

BoAddict · 12-01-04, 09:20 PM

how is it mis leading?

varanus69 · 12-01-04, 09:35 PM

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Originally posted by BoAddict
how is it mis leading?

i think it is misleading by saying that it is co-dom ghost cuz only half of the trait is co-dom,the hypo half. anery is not co-dom so therefor there is no such thing as c-d ghost. With true c-d's if you bred them to normals you get 50% with that trait which you wouldn't in this case.

BigDan · 12-01-04, 09:42 PM

It is not misleading because the anery gene is still recessive.

Only the salmon gene is co dominant and that is exactly what you get. If you want to produce ghosts breed your ghost to an anery female and you will get 50% ghosts the 50% will be anerys. Hence the co dom ghost. Breed a dominant ghost to an anery get 100% ghosts.

How can you produce a ghost if you bred a ghost to an albino since you have no anery gene in the albino. If you had an albino het for anery (aka albino het for snow) then you could produce ghosts.

Ghosts are actually very valuable in terms of their genetics because you have an animal that expresses a cod om trait and recessive trait at the same time. It allows you many different combinations when bred to the right animals.

Another similar genetic combination is the sunglow which is a salmon that expresse the recessive albino trait. If you look at it in monetary terms sunglow and ghost males are especially valuable for breeding.

You have to understand and get a grasp of the terminology behind the genetics and it all makes sense.

It gets even more confusing when you get into the triple hets and many different combinations of triple hets will be available in the near future.

Jeff_Favelle · 12-02-04, 01:41 AM

Are Sunglows called co-dom Sunglows or dominant Sunglows? Same combo of gene-types.

BOAS_N_PYTHONS · 12-02-04, 02:12 AM

JEFF:

Again not fully sure but I think its,

Sunglow = combination of 1 codominant trait 1 recesive trait

Cya...

Tony

Jeff_Favelle · 12-02-04, 02:34 AM

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JEFF:

Again not fully sure but I think its,

Sunglow = combination of 1 codominant trait 1 recesive trait

Again, how is that ANY different than a ghost, which is a "combination of 1 codominant trait 1 recesive trait "?????

BoAddict · 12-02-04, 03:53 AM

my guess would be yes since it is pretty much the same thing as the ghost with the anery being switched with the albino

if its NO then all logic points to the ghost would be a no too

BigDan · 12-02-04, 08:49 AM

Jeff you are right you can have co dom sunglows as well as dominant or super sunglows.

If you bred a sunglow male to lets say a female salmon Dh for sunglow female roughly 25% of the sunglows in that litter would be dominant or super sunglows. You would also have about 25% of the salmon Dh for sunglow come to be super salmon DH for sunglow.

Since you are breeding a codom salmon (with the albino gene expressed sunglow) to a codom salmon carrying the albino gene 25% of all offspring would receive to copies of that co dom salmon gene and be supers or dominants.

Works the same way for motleys and arabesques. WE know that there have been super motleys the purple patternless and all black boa there appear to be super arabesques produced by Steve Hammond the orginator of the morph but I beleive you would have to test breed those to find out for sure.

Dan

Jeff_Favelle · 12-02-04, 10:18 AM

So the super form of the Arabesque is not visible (like a Spider in BP's)? Would make sense. Its been a LONG time since Arabesques came out, so no wonder we haven't seen on yet.

Scales Zoo · 12-02-04, 10:23 AM

Now I'm confused.

I thought that the word dominant applied to things like spider and arabesque, cause the supers looked like the spiders. (And maybe salmon too)

But things like pastel (B.P's), were co-dom, cause the supers look more pastel than just the pastels. Kind of like the hets showing part ofthe homo form.

Is it correct to call the super forms dominant, or is it accepted slang in the snake world?

Ryan

Scales Zoo · 12-02-04, 10:28 AM

Oh, and while kind of on the subject, have there been any snows produced that were also showing salmon? You'd think someon would have put their sunglow on a ghost.... and get some supersalmon snows - whatever they'd be worth, holy cow.

And, can you tell a super salmon from a salmon by looking at it? My guess is that most people can't, as there are poss super salmons advertised.

Ryan