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11-26-04, 07:36 PM
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Scientists debate creation of animal/human hybrids
Island of Dr. Moreau, anyone?
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11-26-04, 07:47 PM
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Anyone who didn't see this coming please raise your hands. I will leave everyeone to draw their own conclusions but as time goes by we all are desensitized to the issue as genewarping moves along.
One day things will come to a head since wishy washy politicians bow to lobbyists for the companies that are funding this research and they fund it in order to make money later. Left to their own devices they will come out with designer animals, recreate extinct animals and god knows what else.
Already there is beginnings of debate on how human is human. The answers that they arrive at will set the precident for future developments.
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11-26-04, 07:55 PM
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Wow, that is a truly amazing discovery. This could lead to very benefial discoveries that will help human kind in many ways. On the contrary, this could also help us burn ourselves. Sure all the research these scientists are doing NOW is good and beneficial, but what about when it gets to a greater scale. We'll be making killer pigs or something stupid like that. If they can create a limit as to which we can use this science for then I see no problem with it, but honestly we can't. Anyone with the knowledge can do their own little experiment and make it evil if they wanted. We started off with dynamite which was beneficial in ways, now through further studies we can make weapons that can annihilate everyone on a continent. What will science like this lead us to 50 years down the road. Honestly, I'm afraid to know.
Mike
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11-26-04, 08:23 PM
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All i can do is shake my head. Sure this may be neat, but god did not intend for us to do this. Why can't we just be happy with whats on this earth instead of trying to play mother nature. In my opinion i think this is going to be another Einstein moment. In the end they are going to wish they never created or fooled with stuff like this.
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11-26-04, 10:32 PM
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Being a person of faith, I have a big problem with issues like this. I agree with mudflats completely. Let's not play God.
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11-26-04, 10:40 PM
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I agree with mudflats, don't we have enough interesting animals as it is? didn't they just release a study this week where they've documented thousands of new species in the oceans?
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11-26-04, 10:47 PM
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this is not natural. Humans should not ne playing 'god'. I think we should leave nature as it is.
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11-26-04, 10:50 PM
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Fascinating...
Potentially scary, but fascinating...
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11-26-04, 11:37 PM
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Maybe we shouldn't be playing God but it's hard to tell someone that who is waiting for an organ because the lists are so long now.
If they can use this to "grow" better and easier to accept organs in qauntity so people won't die waiting, it's hard to deny a human that.
Marisa
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11-26-04, 11:52 PM
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Marisa you make a very good point, I guess theres really no right answer theres so many good and bad points I just hope they draw the line some where along the road befor it gets out of hand. Personally i don't think we should be playing God but it seems to be a very popular trend among our species.
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11-26-04, 11:58 PM
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Well, I for one am all for freedom of religion. However, what I detest is one religion infringing on the rights of others. If you believe certain things, practice them in your own lives without forcing them onto others. A democracy is supposed to be about balancing the rights of an individual with those of a society as a whole.
It angers me that abortion and same sex marriages are even issues in a modern society. How would you like it if people who were pro-choice were telling you you HAD to get an abortion? Or what if same-sex couples told you that since they didn't believe in marriage between a man and a wife, you shouldn't be allowed to be married either? Do what you want in your own lives, don't tell other people what to do in theirs when it doesn't affect you beyond your simply not liking the idea of it. Clearly, the religious beliefs of some are infringing on the rights of others in these issues.
Now, there are many valid reasons to oppose these so-called chimaeras. Religion should not be one of them. Ban this type of research in your own religion and prevent others in your own religion from using the medical benefits of this research all you want. Just don't be telling other people not to, just as nobody would be forcing this research upon you.
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11-27-04, 12:06 AM
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In my lab we just came across a paper where human neural stem cell progenitors were successfully placed in a mongolian gerbil brain (yes, it sounds unbelievable) and were completely viable (and repaired motor defecits caused by an imposed lesion). Incredible.....human animal hybrids are already happening in labs across Canada and especially in Japan. Don't think it hasn't happened, because believe me it already has!
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11-27-04, 12:43 AM
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Originally posted by Ptindy
We'll be making killer pigs or something stupid like that.
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Why would we make killer pigs? With legislation as controlling as it is, and the public as scrutinizing, I can't see this type of technology being widely abused, especially for the purpose of "making killer pigs or something stupid like that".
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Originally posted by Ptindy
We started off with dynamite which was beneficial in ways, now through further studies we can make weapons that can annihilate everyone on a continent.
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Do you actually think it society would be better off without knowledge of explosives? As potentially damaging the technology is I believe that our modern mining, combustion engines and other technology justify any risks. Even fire is an explosive technology but is absolutely essential to human existence. Perhaps one day we will think the same of this "truly amazing discovery". Additionally, it is true that we can "annihilate everyone on a continent", but this has never happened and I doubt that it will in any time soon. I could tromp up the stairs right now and cut some throats with a very simple technology, do you think I will?
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Originally posted by mudflats
god did not intend for us to do this
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Did God tell you that? I am not religious and honestly do not care what ‘God’ thinks; nor do 3 500 000 000 other people. I do not believe that religion has a place in scientific debate and will comment on it no further.
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Originally posted by mudflats
In my opinion i think this is going to be another Einstein moment
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Now what could you possibly have against Einstein? And what is an "Einstein moment"?
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Originally posted by clint545
don't we have enough interesting animals as it is
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Perhaps you should visit a hybrid debate. The purpose of this technology is not so much to amuse ourselves with pig-people as it is to grow replacement parts for people, create resilient crops to feed people and grow insulin to keep people alive. Insulin has been produced by bacteria combined with human genes since 1982. Most insulin now comes from these 'chimera' bacteria.
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Originally posted by sneaky boa
human neural stem cell progenitors were successfully placed in a mongolian gerbil brain... and were completely viable (and repaired motor defecits caused by an imposed lesion).
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See? See? It's a good thing!
Cam
Last edited by CamHanna; 11-27-04 at 12:48 AM..
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11-27-04, 01:30 AM
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Well Cam, the killer pigs was a joke in a way. I just had a mental image of these pigs all in ranks marching with guns. I dunno lol. It was far fetched and I know it would never happened, I just said it for the hell of it, don't take it literally.
As for the explosive issue, I think it's great. Just like I think that being able to make livers for those in need is great. But humans tend to do more then they have to in these regards and end up creating something that could potentially destroy us. I didn't say explosives were bad in away way, but the degree to which we have done it is bad. I could see something bad coming from giving animals human like qualities. I dunno. I hate these opinion posts as everyone has a different point of view, I know, but then also, everyone has a different point of view on your view and things never come across right.
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11-27-04, 01:38 AM
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Quote:
Originally posted by Ptindy
everyone has a different point of view on your view and things never come across right
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It's true. And I figured you were kidding about the killer pigs but I'm PO'ed about homework and felt like arguing. No offence of course.
Cam
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