recent bust?

Dom · 05-01-04, 06:20 AM

Hey

I heard some rumors about a house with 300 or so reptiles that was found recently .. like past week .. and it was in such bad shape and badly taken care of that they took away aniamls and kids..

HAs anybody heard about this or could anybody straighten out this rumor / anecdote?

I need to know as i think one of my animals was there...

tx
Dom

magnum1 · 05-01-04, 07:08 AM

It was in the paper apparently they ? are facing animal cruelty charges they had a caiman, wallaby (sp) and a coati amungst others in innisvil that is all I heard so far

Drew S · 05-01-04, 07:11 AM

http://www.ospca.on.ca/libr_pr_2004_April21.html

Maybe?

Dani33 · 05-01-04, 07:30 AM

That's the one. We read an article after the first was published that the animals or some of them had to be returned. They don't have any laws in Innisfil, so they had no right to take them. The SPCA and law enforcement officers have no idea as to how to care for the animals, so they realy couldn't judge as to how the animals should have been kept.

I believe(trying to recall from my feeble memory). That the owners had to help recupe some of the socalled veterinary costs. They had a complaint, so the SPCA barged in and confiscated the animals. As far as we know, the animals could have been cared for properly, they just acted on the fact that they are reptiles and overreacted. The owners must have been doing something right, they are returning some of them. I'm not a big fan of the SPCA. It's funny how the SPCA didn't mention that in the article, hmmmmm.

BoAddict · 05-01-04, 08:23 AM

i cant stand the spca's stance on exotic animals , they used to be a favourite organization of mine years ago , i used to even vollenteered there many many years ago, today i wouldnt give them the time of day

how can an organization that is supposed to be for the rights of animals have such a negative out look on reptiles?

well thats my rant of the day

Mike

SDSnakes · 05-01-04, 09:15 AM

I dont know if i should really say anything, BUT, someone on
this forum is actually taking care of about 50 of the herps
from that house. And doing an EXCELLENT job. I dont believe
its a perminant home for them, just until things clear up.
I believe the animals are in WAY better hands now than they
were before.

Thats all im going to say, maybe they will post about it later.
No idea though.
But dont worry, the animals are in great hands for the time
being.

Beejay · 05-01-04, 09:34 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by SDSnakes
someone on
this forum is actually taking care of about 50 of the herps
from that house. And doing an EXCELLENT job.

I agree. I've interacted with the animals and seen a visible improvement in one of the most sick ones in even the first couple of days. The animals that did not have adequate enclosures are being setup appropriately and the animals in need of special care are being medicated and treated accordingly.

As for the people who previously cared for the animals, they are nice people who let things get out of control I suppose, taking in sick animals that they were unprepared for and doing the best that they could under the circumstances.

I don't know about the mammals or child but the reptiles, amphibians and arachnids, etc are being cared for very lovingly and completely.

~Bj

Dani33 · 05-01-04, 09:42 AM

Ah, well that makes sense. I have been curious as well. Newspaper articles only give so much information. It's good to find out if the SPCA was overeacting or not. I personally don't have a lot of animals. But it's good to hear that our animals won't be confiscated because someone complains, even if they are legal and being cared for. That's what worried me most.

SDSnakes · 05-01-04, 09:45 AM

The people taking care of the animals right now have put lots
of hard work into the animals and their enclosers on VERY short
notice. Got a call one night LATE, went to pick up 50 animals came
home at about 2am i believe and set them up... I find it hard to do that for 1 or 2 animals let alone 50. You guys are doing a great job and i can't think of anyone that could do any better.

Cruciform · 05-01-04, 10:28 AM

I think two of the biggest reasons the SPCA has had success lobbying to get reptiles banned in municipalities are:

1) ignorance and fear of the animals in question.

and

2) no shelters available to take them in.

I don't like the idea of the city council telling me I can't have my pets, (and I'm just going to ignore them of course) but I understand that without a shelter that can handle them it's an effective death sentence for any exotic that is found to be improperly cared for.

Any time someone is found with reptiles in poor condition it's another strike against us

marisa · 05-01-04, 11:09 AM

The newspaper here noted dead animals, and what they called "deplorable" conditions. I am not a fan of the SPCA at all, but these people are the people who get US in trouble and I am glad the animals AND child (also noted in two of my papers) were removed.

Not everyone can have 100 reptiles folks! Its about qaulity NOT qauntity. It's a disturbing trend I have noticed lately....everyone trying to get collections of 50, 100, 200 reptiles. Everyone buying new stuff constantly then giggling about some addiction....frankly I'd say about 10% of those people can handle that same collection once all the species are adults. Its a sad sad fact.

Marisa

Linds · 05-01-04, 11:30 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by marisa

Not everyone can have 100 reptiles folks! Its about qaulity NOT qauntity.

I hear ya on that one! I'm at my personal limit for now. I may finish up pairing up the single kids, but no more new projects. I don't think I could care for a collection of 100 reptiles properly at all, unless I didn't have to do anything else with my days (how likely is that?).

asphyxia · 05-01-04, 11:32 AM

Same with me Linds

Cheers
Brian

Removed_2815 · 05-01-04, 11:42 AM

Well this is another huge blow to the hobby. I believe I have met this person once (he/she is a user on this forum) and sold him/her a pair of Hognose snakes. This person seemed nice enough. If the animals were, in fact, kept in deplorable conditions then I am glad they are being relocated. If it is just another SPCA exaggeration then I hope everything works out for him/her.
Cheers,
R

V.hb · 05-01-04, 06:21 PM

Reading this thread makes me think of all the bearded dragon breeders right now. Iam sorry guys, I in no means am trying to down any of you, and you do produce some nice animals! but where do they all go? I mean, my female can clutch many times a year, and I get at the minimum 25 eggs from her, and this is ME, i only have 2 beardies, they're pets, from one female i could easily achieve 150 eggs a year.. I really wonder where they go? I mean, you see lots of baby beardies in petstores, iam sure most of them die there. I 'am kinda steering myself towards believing alot of breeders are irresonsible with what they breed, and how many they do breed.. As I said, iam not trying to point fingers, Iam just curious, but have to say in the end iam never surprised to hear about how many unwanted/sick/dead reptiles are popping up in the local papers..

Iam not just saying beardies here, theres many others. Iam just using it as an example. The lack of respect for animal life, espeacially reptiles reflects more on this hobby every day.. Il also add, to avoid any war starting from this post that Iam not directing this to anyone on this site, most seem to really care about what they do keep, and show pride in that.