Just so you guys know......

Gregg M · 03-16-04, 06:04 PM

There is someone in the KS forums that goes by the name of Gaboon001 that seems to be very pro-void....... He just tried to rip me up in the viper forum........ He said something about what I say about voids, is crap and that no one wants to here it........ He also frequents this site..... There was a pic of someone holding a void gaboon that looked like someone stepped on its head....... Oh and it belongs to NERD........

Crotalus75 · 03-16-04, 06:25 PM

Ya.....I saw those sad looking pics........

and here:

http://www.tinygiants.com/NERD/misc.htm

Big_V · 03-16-04, 06:30 PM

That pic with the Gaboon on the guys hand is just disturbing to me. The snake almost looks sad in a way.
Venemoids (vene-moi-ds) -Human medaling in nature for profit. also see account for animal cruelty.
Cheers, Ryan
Dictionary definition I swear.

crazykeeper · 03-16-04, 06:30 PM

Venomous all the way No voids,just my 2 cents

Crotalus75 · 03-16-04, 07:08 PM

The KS venomous forum is full of punks.

Mustangrde1 · 03-16-04, 08:50 PM

Well Nerd just hit my list of do not buy from.

TheRedDragon · 03-16-04, 08:59 PM

I'm disgusted by their support of venomoids, ugh, I've blacklisted them as well.

Lrptls · 03-16-04, 09:17 PM

venomoids are one of the sadest things people have done to animals, thats so sick. i hate those pictures of them free handling the snakes like that, they look like they are fake, rubber snakes. to me there not real at all cause there not them selves.
kingsnake and nerd is crap!

Mustangrde1 · 03-16-04, 09:52 PM

OK SOME OF YOU AND YOU KNOW WHO HAVE BEEN BUGGING ME ABOUT THE PETETION .... THIS IS A ROUGH AND I MEAN ROUGH START TO IT BUT IT IS IN THE LINE FOR WHAT WERE SHOOTING FOR. AS SOON AS THE FINAL PRODUCT IS OUT YOU WILL SEE IT ON HERE TOO. BUT JUST TO WET YOUR MOUTH. HERE IS THE ROUGH DRAFT.......

We as concerned members of the herpetological community find the surgical alteration of venomous snakes to be a practice that can be cruel and inhumane and potentially life threatening to the handler or bystanders. We pray you to not allow or condone the sales of these animals through or in your state or on any {Website, Magazine or Reptile Shows, Private Party Transactions} within your State's jurisdiction without proper proof of the surgery being performed by a Licensed Qualified Veterinary Surgeon registered with the The American Veterinary Medical Association.
We ask that any and all of these Altered animal be accompanied by a Notarized sworn affidavit from the Veterinary Surgeon that conducted the operation as well as copies of all medical records. We ask that the Veterinary Surgeon certifies that animal to be harmless and incapable of ever again delivering a venomous bite.

We ask that in order to sell any of these altered animals on or within your State on any {Website, Magazine, Reptile Shows or Private Party Transaction} that the vendor/seller provide proof upon request for verification of the Veterinary Surgeon who performed the alteration as so the buyer may contact the Veterinary office for confirmation. This information should be provided to any employee of your State and to the {Website, Magazine or Reptile Shows, Private Parties} for verification.

We put this to you as it is known that these surgical procedures are performed by unlicensed person and without proper use of narcotics for the relief of pain and suffering along with post surgical infections that this causes great pain and suffering to the animals.

This pain and suffering is animal cruelty and is an unneeded procedure and not warranted for the animals health or well being. This Surgery is performed to render a venomous snake harmless and with cases in point to show that in time the animal if the surgery was not performed completely can again be capable of producing venom and delivering a fatal bite. This can and does pose a risk to the handler and or any bystanders and is a matter of public health and safety.

With many State as well as Federal laws pertaining to Surgical standards and Pain and suffering to animals we ask you to not allow any animal without the above mentions documentation and verification of legal surgery performed to be sold through your state or any {Website, Magazine or Reptile Shows Private Party Transactions} within your jurisdiction.

AGAIN THAT IS A ROUGH DRAFT.......

Crotalus75 · 03-16-04, 09:55 PM

For the most part it seems like the main proponents of the venomoid craze are those individuals who are not very deeply involved with venomous herpetoculture. Just an observation....

Mustangrde1 · 03-16-04, 09:56 PM

OR IN IT FOR MONEY

Crotalus75 · 03-16-04, 10:01 PM

Scott,

I think that you have a fantastic start. There is a little wording that I would change here and there, but looking good. Do you mind if I give it a proof read and send you a couple suggestions?

Mustangrde1 · 03-16-04, 10:03 PM

Tad there are others working it now , like i said its very rough draft...

kevyn · 03-16-04, 11:47 PM

You guys really need to read some the opinions of some of the gurus regarding venomoids on the Bob Cl... forums. It is truly disturbing. It's pretty pro-venomoid there. They are very quick to call anyone with a anti-venomoid opinion there "uninformed". MSTT (I think) from here, is one of the few voices of reason there and impossible for even them to call her uninformed. The NERD thing is no shock. I know that a few people there are venomoid keepers.

Crotalus75 · 03-17-04, 12:05 AM

I've been there.....it's tragic. Thats what were up against......the innumerable masses of people with a fringe interest in venomous herpetoculture. These are the sort of folks that are eager to jump on the venomoid train instead of having respect for these animals and learning how to handle them properly.