Colombian BCI vs Colombian BCC

BoidKeeper · 01-25-04, 04:53 PM

Other than the pic in the Boa Constrictor Manual of a True Colombian Red Tail, does anyone have any pics, or know where I can find pics of a Colombian Red Tail BCC? Again I'm not looking for pics of Colombian BCI. I'm looking for pics of Colombian BCC.
People are always calling their Colombians Red Tails when in fact I doubt they are. Does anyone have any True Colombian Red tails out there?
Thanks,
Trevor

emroul · 01-25-04, 05:09 PM

Wow, this will be interesting, I didn't even know there WERE columbian BCC's, I thought there were only Columbian BCI's. Hmmm... shows how much I know about boas.

Jennifer

BoidKeeper · 01-25-04, 05:29 PM

Yup there are. That's why I get sorta anoyed when someone calls there Colombian BCI a " Colomubian Red Tail". Or when some one calls there Colombian BCI a BCI. If you say you have a "BCI" that doesn't mean that it is a Colombian, it could be any of the insular forums as well they are all BCI too. No one calls there Suri or Guyana just a BCC do they?
I know I'm complaining about names but if we keep them all straight it helps the new people to our hobby keep them straight.
Cheers,
Trevor
PS
It's Hog with one g and Colombian not Columbian. Boas have litters not clutchs. ha ha

BoidKeeper · 01-26-04, 03:38 PM

ell like it wasn't confusing enough here's what The Boaphile Jeff Ronne has to say on the subject.
All Colombians are BCC acording to Jeff Ronne
Cheers,
Trevor

C.m.pyrrhus · 01-26-04, 04:06 PM

Meristics of Boa constrictor species

The best way IMO is to count scales, but then again, I have this belief that many, if not most boas out there (not only 'Colombians') are 'mutts' and are the offspring of several mixes of subspecies and localities anyhow. There are still some true species bloodlines out there, yet many are not but concidered strongly to be one or the other.

Also, who is to say that Bci are not "True Red-tails"??? I will tell ya this, some of the greatest red tails belong to BCI ssp, and there are ugly brown tails on some BCC...so that arguement is void if you trully have seen a good share of Boa constrictor.

Here is a thread at another forum from a while back, but same idea. ACC forum thread As for colombian BCC or BCI, does it trully matter? I mean, look at it this way. Technically, it seems folks are still arguing if they are seperate species, yadda yadda yadda....
So, is your Colombian BCC or BCI? I think it is fair to go by scale counts over the color of tails or locality. Would be nice for folks to be a bit more honest if they could accept the small fact that this may ocur in their own colletions. I used to think like many others, that BCI were not "True Red-tails" either, but after a lot of time and observing what there is out there, I have gone the other way.

I did a scale count on this female of mine, who I figured for years just to be a common Colombian BCI, but after a scale count over the board, she came up 'technically' as a BCC (Under the meristics chart above)

Linds · 01-26-04, 06:23 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by BoidKeeper
No one calls there Suri or Guyana just a BCC do they?

LOL I do, and I know many others as well. Suris and Guyanas are the same thing, so I just avoid it altogether.

BoidKeeper · 01-26-04, 08:55 PM

I don't belive that for one second Linds. I'm sure they have been mixed a lot in captivity but if you went to Guyanna and then to Suriname I belive you'd see a difference.
Cheers,
Trevor

Linds · 01-27-04, 11:14 AM

I'm not basing my comments on captive bred boas at all. I'm basing it on their wild counterparts. I have seen many boas come out of Guyana that were both what people described to be the "purple Guyana with dark saddles" and the "pink Suriname with lighter saddles", as well as the same come out of Suriname. It is the same land, the only difference between the two is a manmade border, the snakes certainly do not follow this invisible boundary however

Take a peep at a map and you will see aht I'm talking about, if you don't already. This has become accepted over the years by nearly all of the major boa breeders, however they tend to keep the labels for the percentage of people who do not still believe this to be the way

foman · 01-27-04, 11:36 AM

I agree with Linds.:thumbsup:

ReptiZone · 01-27-04, 12:34 PM

same hear I have had some top end breeders tell me the same.

BoidKeeper · 01-27-04, 03:21 PM

After I posted that I had a discussion with a friend and now I think I do agree with you about the wild boas. However in captivity I see a difference between the boas that have been selectivly bred to look like either guyana or suriname. Personally I would not cross the two. As far as scale counts go I'm sure that the captive surinames and guyans would be the same because it's the scale count that makes a BCC a BCC and a BCI a BCI. That being said what do you think about Jeff Ronne's article about all Colombians being BCC?
Cheers,
Trevor

BoaBoi · 01-28-04, 03:09 AM

Am I ignorant? I was under the impression that Columbian boas were all BCI, but argued that they could be BCC. Is there really 2 different species? This is a little confusing to me.

James~

P.S. I have been calling my boa a Columbian BCI, What are the chances I have been calling it the wrong thing?

BoidKeeper · 01-28-04, 06:13 AM

By calling it a Colombian BCI you're safe. The Colombia is on both sides of the Andees mountains. There are Colombian boas on both sides. The boas on one side are all BCC the boas on the other side are BCI. There are Colombians on both sides. The Boa Consticto Manual says that there are Colombian BCI and Colombian BCC and shows pics of each.
In Jeff Ronne's article he says that if you go by scale counts he belives that all Colombian boas are BCC. I posted a link to his article from his web page.
Cheers,
Trevor

MouseKilla · 01-28-04, 07:21 AM

Do you think the snakes on the one side of the mountain ever go over and pick fights with the snakes from the other side, sorta like a Westside Boa Story? Nah, they can't even snap their fingers, it would never work.... thoughts of a serpentine Travolta will probably keep me up for a few days though...

Oh yeah, I didn't get an article from that link, I got like a price list.... maybe it's just me

BoidKeeper · 01-28-04, 09:02 AM

I'm not sure why it's not working. Here it is again,
http://www.theboaphile.com/available...y%20Colombians
If that doesn't work just click on the words Boa Constrictor Constricto next to any of the pics of this Colombians and it will take you to his essay.
Cheers,
Trevor