Rant - Chameleon Forum

dank7oo · 01-20-04, 12:51 PM

I will not longer be posting on the said forum. This is a decission i have made over the past 6 months. Many of you may have noticed I am here less and less often and the weeks go bye. In all honesty, I love this site, and I love a lot of people who I have met here. Many of you I talk to reguarly outside of this website, and enjoy your 'company' if you will. You know who you are.

I have read several posts on this forum in particular that have made me come to my senses about posting here any longer. I have always beeen a fan of how the people on this site conduct themselves, and how information is expressed maturely and knowledgeablly. However, in he past week or so, I have seen many posts that personally rub me the wrong way.

Not getting into specifics, however, do not question people who have experiance, have knowledge, and are trying to help you. An epidemic of posts by people who are giving information about chameleons by their one experiance and what they have read, and telling people with much more experiance they are wrong

does not make sence to me. Information that I, after 4 years have owning chameleons, and now about to obtain my fifth, is still cautious about giving out. Information I feel is best left to the experts, not an internet article written by 'Big Bertha'.

I will continue to post on other forums on the site, but I no longer want to be a part of this charade.

Jason

Dark_Angel_25 · 01-20-04, 01:29 PM

Personally I think that that is a very sad decision, because where does that leave new cham owners?
It leaves them getting their information from these people you are talking about, and that is a VERY sad thing, as in the end, it will be the animal that suffers.

There are people who post the kind of threads that you are talking about on every forum. just ignore them. you can't make them change, but you can give your information and know at least that you tried, and if they don't take your advice, well you gave it and can feel good knowing at least if something does go wrong, it wasn't because of lack of information, just ignorance.

dank7oo · 01-20-04, 01:55 PM

I just dont want my years of hard work and information being available to people who are going to ignore it and tear it apart.

Jason

Dark_Angel_25 · 01-20-04, 01:57 PM

well dank it is ultimately your choice. I just don't think it is the smartest thing to do to deprive ppl of your info. besides in the REAL world, you always have someone who doesn't agree with you... it cannot be helped. all you do is ignore them and move on.

there are infinetly more people who do listen and care than those who don't,

IMHO

Sean Day · 01-20-04, 02:04 PM

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Originally posted by dank7oo
Not getting into specifics, however, do not question people who have experiance, have knowledge, and are trying to help you.

Questioning the advice given be it from the experienced or the beginner is a good thing. As soon as you stop questioning, our husbandry fails to move forward.

drewlowe · 01-20-04, 02:15 PM

Even if they don't take the info give at least you can say you tried, and even though that person didn't accept your info you don't know who else reads it that will.

You take the good with the bad anywhere, even the other forums have that going on.

meow_mix450 · 01-20-04, 04:44 PM

dank has a relaly good point you guys might not see it but ive been here half a year, and dank almost a year, when i jined it was a great community, but as i slowly post, its gotten meener and meener, people not respecting other people, a lot of information that we give out is in our own experenice, were not trying to start a war here, poor trace about a month ago had this guy, saying stuff, that wasnt needed, saying shes wrong.......havnt seen her post for quite a long time......but this is all in my opinion, and i respect your choice, if you wish, ill keep in touch with ya

Meow

dank7oo · 01-20-04, 05:26 PM

Thanks meow.
I wont totally distance myself from the forums, but i will not be here are readily as before. If some changes are to the quality of the posts,I will slowly be here more and more. But until that time, I will not be here as much. I just dont want my time being wasted (no offence).

Jason

drewlowe · 01-20-04, 05:38 PM

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Originally posted by meow_mix450
dank has a relaly good point you guys might not see it but ive been here half a year, and dank almost a year, when i jined it was a great community, but as i slowly post, its gotten meener and meener, people not respecting other people, a lot of information that we give out is in our own experenice, were not trying to start a war here, poor trace about a month ago had this guy, saying stuff, that wasnt needed, saying shes wrong.......havnt seen her post for quite a long time......but this is all in my opinion, and i respect your choice, if you wish, ill keep in touch with ya

Meow

I get your point i've been here for almost a year and i've seen the good and the bad. Most of the negative posters aren't here that long anyway.

And yes most of my information comes from reading and experinces, How else am i going to learn or share info with people.

The problem that happend with trace, have you even seen that person post again, NOT ME. Trouble makers come and go all the time, it's something we have to deal with same with the repeditive Questions we get.

I miss Trace and Eyespys knowlegable posts, but if all the experinced people leave how are the newbies going to learn. It's not all about the people it's about the animals too.

Zoe · 01-20-04, 06:03 PM

Oh come on, what can you except? Everyone to say "thank you, i'll do exactly that!"... that's what we'd all like to hear when we give advice, but it'll never happen every single time. people have different opinions, have heard/read different things, and they will often question your directives. It isn't personal, they are (usually) just trying to figure out the best and easiest way. In some cases they are in the wrong and I feel sorry for these people's chameleons, and in others they are genuinely trying to improve the advice given to people.

Someone has a question, you answer it... the rest is up to them - either they take the advice, don't take it, or question it. Things wouldn't ever more forward otherwise. It is too bad that you think that way, and it is, of course, up to you; but I think you are expecting far too much from people and getting overly upset when you don't get that.

Zoe

Shane Tesser · 01-20-04, 06:19 PM

I usually don't take part in these kind of threads..but i feel like it for some strange reason with this one. I can only relate to aquariums as its something ive kept over 25 years now. I guess over the years ive learned about 75% of what i know from reading....but even with this there is variences from author to author. Ive probably learned 20% through my own trial and error, and the rest comes from what others have taught or told me.

I guess you have to look at advice like this. This is the internet. There will always be debate, difference of opinions, and general mis-information. The key to any advice is this....research, check and double check! Why anyone would follow any advice is beyond me! When i give it...i hope fully well that someone still does theyre research...heck...prove me wrong!!! Education is the only real way to good advice....the rest is just scrambled ideas.

ChokeOnSmoke · 01-20-04, 06:22 PM

Even if 1 out of of every 10 takes your advice isn't it worth it? People with real life experience are invaluable to the site and its members. I know I really appreciate and respect certain members for their advice from personal experiences and willingness to answer posts even if they have answered them before. Its your choice if you post or not just remember there are people who appreciate the advice and use it.

meow_mix450 · 01-20-04, 06:45 PM

o i completly agree with every and single one of you, but it seems that the problem is the people hoo read te threads and saying that its wrong to do this and that, but yes your right tose people leave quick, thank god, is it cause trace a eyespy leave??? someone keep me up to date, i really missed them, it seems like im the only one in the fourm that really knows some cham stuff most have left

.........not saying i kno everything........but drewlowe your right

Meow

dank7oo · 01-20-04, 06:58 PM

Meow.
I know about chameleons

lol

Trace I beleive is gone for good. She got very frusterated and isn't coming back. I wasn't going to say anything but you did bring it up.

As for how this thread is being inturpreted, not at all how I meant it to be. I am very happy and thrilled when people take proper care of their animals and when they receive the correct advice. What I am frusterated with is 1. People telling true experts they are incorrect and like i mentioned before, quoting 'Big Bertha'. 2. The incorrect advice being given out be owners, that could in fact harn the animal in question. If you don't want to take proper care of your animal that is one thing, but preaching the incorrect information is another.

Sorry if I have in any way offended anyone. (PS. Does the new mod even own a chameleon? I know it is a weird question, but in order to, not language wise, moderate the actual info being advised. I think mods should be responsible for correcting absolutley obserd and dangerous advice. IMHO)

Jason

Zoe · 01-20-04, 07:18 PM

Mods aren't here for correct mistakes, they are here to MODERATE our dehaviours so we don't insult the heck out of each other. The mods aren't mods because they are super experts, they are mods because they can avoid getting involved and most of them are respected. What if someone didn't agree with the mod's advice? That would start a whole mess. This forum is for people to share ideas and debate, not for mods to tell us all how to raise our animals.

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1. People telling true experts they are incorrect and like i mentioned before, quoting 'Big Bertha'.

If these people truly think that the real "advice" is wrong, it's up to the knowledgeable people to correct them! If they've read something (big bertha?) then they will believe it and contradict other things. If no one is around to tell them that they are wrong, they will do the wrong thing and thus hurt their animal.

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2. The incorrect advice being given out be owners, that could in fact harn the animal in question.

Once again, this is because they have learned something incorrect but believe that it is right. They must be shown, through proofs and examples, the real route to take. If they are left to believe that what they think is true, their animals are in danger. I don't think anyone is knowingly propagating false imformation on purpose... sure, some will be stubborn and won't listen, but others will realize their mistakes and be able to give that new info to others...

Like someone already said, you have to take the good with the bad. You shouldn't give up just because someone says you're wrong even if you know that you're right.

Zoe