Normal patterned axantic Trans Pecos

JF DERY · 01-15-04, 08:36 AM

Just wanted to share this with any other Suboc fan. Doesn't look like much on the pic but I've been looking for this particular Suboc morph for a while now, and here it is

It's a normal patterned silver phase Trans Pecos Ratsnake, quite hard to find, most on the market are "blond morph" silver phase, which is also a neat looking snake. The animal on the pic is an adult.

JF DERY

Vanan · 01-15-04, 08:48 AM

Beaut! I used to only prefer the silvers too but now even the wild-types and blondes are growing on me!

Angus Lee · 01-15-04, 10:19 AM

That's a beauty for sure!

Simon · 01-15-04, 10:48 AM

lovely looking snake there!

Linds · 01-15-04, 11:40 AM

Very nice!

Clownfishie · 01-15-04, 11:51 PM

She/he looks awesome, congrats!

Stav.T · 01-16-04, 04:58 AM

Amazing snake J-F!
Stav

Katt · 01-16-04, 03:41 PM

Wow, I've never seen one like that. Very nice!!

Simon Sansom · 01-17-04, 05:21 AM

That's a nice snake JF!
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Here's a youngster I produced which had a very pronounced greyish-silver colouration...

I don't think it's quite axanthic, but it was markedy different from others in the same clutch...

Cheers!

Simon

Stockwell · 01-17-04, 09:31 AM

Um JF,it must be my eyes, or that pic but that looks pretty much like a normal Suboc to me

JF DERY · 01-18-04, 11:47 AM

Yes, it's got very little yellow. I have one like that too, and the yellow is fading out even more with time. but you can tell the grey is not exactly axantic, it does look kinda beige, I don't know if that's the impression yours is giving you...

The animal pictured above was hatched out black and white.

I'll try to post a pic of the juvie I have that looks like yours.

ttyl JF

JF DERY · 01-18-04, 12:13 PM

Yes Roy, you are 100% correct! It does look like a normal suboc ... except it has no yellow or red

I have several other subocs, none look like this one. I have some that are greenish, yellow, orange, blonds, axantic blonds... all but the axantic blonds and this specimen have at least HINTS of yellow. What would be your description of a normal patterned axantic suboc?

I can try to bring it over at the PCPC show in spring if you wanna see it, and even if don't think it's an axatic, I'm sure you'll think it's a nice snake. Anyhow, I think it looks great.

later ........................ JF

Stockwell · 01-18-04, 12:39 PM

Its nice you see another Suboc fan JF.. Simon and I both love the things and we have both bred them years ago, and now want them back.
I used to have quite a few of them and produced dozens of babies but they all disappeared and it seems there are next to none in the country.
I brought a couple in from Texas last year, from the Christmas mountains, and Simon now has those... I will probably import some more.. I have no use for the albinos or silvers but I have yet to breed the blondes. I once had one but it died.

That one of yours looks almost exactly like my old female. They are highly variable out of the wild. some have lots of peach coloration, some are yellow and others are just somewhat washed out overall. Then of course there are silver and blondes which are proven mutations. I think the albino ones are god ugly, but to each his own.

Sure I'd love to see it in the Spring but don't go out of your way...
Are you breeding Subocs..I saw you had some for sale..what are your present plans

JF DERY · 01-18-04, 10:25 PM

I raised a pair of regular subocs and had two clutches only with them in the mid 90's. Don' t ask me why, but traded the pair for some wild caught radiateds that ended up dying, probably of frustration for not being able to tag me through the neodesha glass. The baby you saw I had for sale came along with another deal, as much as I like the axantic blonds (or silver) I didn't really need the extra male.

I have no clue what local any of the subocs I have are, but I can probably find for two of them as they are F1s. It doesn't make much difference to me anyway.

Yes, I know that they vary alot in the wild. I also know that the yellow will fade out in many adults. What would be your description of an axantic trans-pecos and what makes you say that the one on the picture is not axantic? Just curious.

As far as my projects go, I will continue to keep and breed the TPs for myself. I don't beleive they are very popular in Canada, and quite honestly, I don't really care if they are or not, I'm not in this for a popularity contest.

I like all phases of the Suboc, it's one of my favorite snakes.

JF DERY

Simon Sansom · 01-19-04, 06:32 AM

I agree with both of you -

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are wonderful snakes, and have always seemed to be poorly represented in Canadian collections - a mystery to me.

I have just gotten my male down for the winter, after waiting for a particularly long shed cycle.

Fingers crossed for some '04 eggs 'n hatchlings!

Simon