New Asian Ratsnakes!!

[Invictus]

I recently traded in my 2 baby Vietnamese Blue Beauties for this pair (2.0 unfortunately) of what I believe are Chinese Beauties. However, I've seen some pictures of Yunnan Beauties that look quite a bit like these guys. If anyone can help me identify them for sure, it would be appreciated!

Anyway, they are named Aragorn and Boromir. Here they are:

Aragorn:




Boromir, who we only got one picture of because he's such a brat (Anyone got an Uruk'hai I can borrow?)



They are both incredibly docile and fun to handle. Never bitten, although they had bad sheds and were a bit verbal when I gave them a bath!

Thanks for looking, and any help correctly identifying them would be appreciated.

[Tim_Cranwill]

Very cool guys! Sorry, I can't help ID them though.... Shouldn't the guy who you got them from know what they are?

Do these guys get as large as the VBB's?

[Jeff_Favelle]

Wow, those are cool man. Wish I could ID them for you. Katt and Vanan might know.

[Invictus]

Originally posted by cranwill
Very cool guys! Sorry, I can't help ID them though.... Shouldn't the guy who you got them from know what they are?

Do these guys get as large as the VBB's?

They were dropped off at the pet store that Erin and I work at, so it was kind of a rescue situation. The owner did not have the means to care for them anymore.

I don't think they get anywhere near as big as VBBs if these boys are adults. I would venture to say that they are little more than 5.5 feet. VBBs are commonly 6-8, so they could be pretty close to a small-ish VBB

[NewLineReptile]

Can't help you out with the ID of them but the are awesome
Congrats man

Brandon

[Dani33]

Very nice!

[Clownfishie]

Wow -- very cool guys, congrats!

[Edwin]

Invictus,

Yunnan ratsnakes have 2 dorsal rows of black blotches and 2 rows on the sides, which merge into brown or black stripes on the posterior third of the body. Dorsal scales are slightly keeled, and the ventrals are keeled.

With that being said, I would guess that you have a yunnan rat, but the above description also somewhat suits the chinese beauty as well. I will see if I have more notes on these species and post them.

Congrats on your new herps, they look really nice.

Hope this helps...


Here is a pic of elaphe taeniura yunnanesis.



And here is a pic of elaphe taenuira


Link:
http://www.elaphe.it/specie.htm

[Invictus]

Thanks Edwin. The picture above of the taeniura taeniura is dead wrong, btw. (I saw that site too... they need to be slapped. That's a Vietnamese Blue Beauty.)

Anyway, I did some more reading. Those are DEFINITELY Yunnans that I have. The Chinese beauties have a ladder-like dorsal pattern. The Yunnans, E.T.Yunnanesis, have the double rows or X-like patterns, which mine have.

So, do you by chance know where I can find a female????

[Tim and Julie B]

You suck! I have wanted those forever. The yunnanesis I mean. I hope that is what you have. I can't really tell from that pic. Once again you suck!

[Invictus]

Ummm... thanks. Find me a female and I'll have plenty of young Yunnanesis I can sell you Tim.

[Scales Zoo]

I'm not sure if they are yunnans....

I've got some good information on identifying the different beauty snakes - but it is down at the zoo, I will see if I can dig it out later and read through it.

Can you take some good dorsal pictures, side pictures and belly pictures of it and send those to me?

Also - did you find out where the previous owner got them from - and when he got them. If they were imported, then bought from a petstore, it might be easier to figure out what kind of snakes those are for sure.

Ryan

[Katt]

Sorry to burst anyone's bubble, but those are taiwans.

This is a chinese beauty. Please notice the neck. The cross overs are bold on yours, but chinese have delicate cross overs.

<img src="http://www.ratsnakes.com/images/Ettaeniura1_m.jpg">
(c) www.ratsnakes.com

I own both taiwans and chinese as well as blues, and cavers. I have seen a yunan and they are distinct. The colour is WOW. Even as a baby. Pattern is also different. Like an okeetee to a normal. Easy to confuse, but after careful looking easy to see the differences.

Word descriptions are pretty worthless, compare pics.

Taiwans are also the largest of the beauties and the nicest in terms of temperament. Congrats on yours!! I hope they get HUGE!!

[Scales Zoo]

I will have to read through all of my information, but I do think they bear a resemblence to taiwans as far as pattern goes.

They seem to be a bit on the dark side, is that just the picture messing with us.

Who knows, maybe they are our babies?

Ryan

[mark129er]

They sure are beautiful