Yet another example of why not to feed live...

peregrinefalcon · 06-15-03, 12:06 PM

This blood python was attacked by a MOUSE not a rat. He died because of this.

http://www.neoprodigy.com/neoprodigy/reptiles/blood/

06-15-03, 12:44 PM

I believe it's more an example why not to leave your snake ALONE with a live prey!!!

depressor86 · 06-15-03, 01:05 PM

im not sure but i think the person says the never left their snake alone with live mice

"2-5-00

( DIED JUNE 2000 )

my blood got bit my a mouse....

never i mean NEVER left a LIVE mouse un attended!!!!! "

poor guy

peregrinefalcon · 06-15-03, 01:58 PM

Naara, your snakes could still be badly hurt while you are watching them, rodents are quick little devils and a bite to the head or eye could turn out really bad.
Adam

marisa · 06-15-03, 02:01 PM

I believe in many cases it has NOTHING to do with leaving the prey alone with the snake.

A mouse can take out an eye in SECONDS. And I would like to see anyone stop a snake from constricting a mouse as the mouse bites the snake bad enough to cause a nasty infection, or worse. It's nearly impossible to stop it even if you are literally IN the cage.

Marisa

Thomas · 06-15-03, 02:21 PM

Tht is horrific! Poor guy, I feel real sorry for him.

06-15-03, 02:37 PM

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Originally posted by peregrinefalcon
Naara, your snakes could still be badly hurt while you are watching them, rodents are quick little devils and a bite to the head or eye could turn out really bad.
Adam

I'm very aware of that! But I have snakes who just don't want to eat dead. So I have no choice.
I know it's very easy and safe if your snakes eat dead prey but that just doesn't always work.
I hate it when people call you stupid when you feed alive! Don't judge anyone when you don't know the person or the situation! I'm crazy about my animals and no one is going to harm them!

By the way, how do you think snakes feed in the wild! They are predators you know! And yes, sometimes they get bit in the wild. But here I am to prevent that. And I do a very good job at it.

Zoe · 06-15-03, 02:45 PM

Naara, is it just your BPs who won't eat dead? If so, I suggest you take measures to put them on dead. There are ways, very rarely can you truly say that your snake definitely won't, under any circumstance, take dead.
I'm not calling you stupid, but it isn't always possible to prevent a bite to a snake. It takes half a second, and I'd like to see someone stop a mouse that's a few inches away from the snake, from biting the snake's eye. WHile if supervised the mouse probably won't inflict fatal damage, a bite is more than possible.

Yes, snakes eat live in the wild. They also get eaten by predators, have mites and parasites and ticks, are sometimes forced to go months without food etc etc etc. Why would you want to recreate parts of their wild habitat which endangers them?

Zoe

Zoe · 06-15-03, 02:50 PM

Here Naara I found a couple articles you might find helpful:

http://www.proexotics.com/FAQ_answer...ng_thawed.html

http://www.rodentpro.com/qpage_articles_01.asp

06-15-03, 02:59 PM

You know, these are really non-solvable questions. Here in Holland there a little easier on you when you have snakes who really won't eat alive. They accept that you have a difficult snake and are happy that it will eat and that you want to take the time to watch them closely.
My older BP has gone trough hell with his previous owner and when I just had him he was very ill and almost died. It took me very much trouble to finally get him to eat. And the only thing he eats is live prey. I thank God he eats and gets healthier by the day. When I drop a mouse in it hardly gets the chance to take three steps before getting killed.
So I do understand your point of view but please, believe that I care a lot for my animals and that not every snake is as easy as yours.
Another thing is that in Holland most BP are still WC or FB. We aren't as far as you are. Even BP breeding is still very hard here. So maybe in ten years or so we breed them easy and get every snake so far to eat dead. But at this moment it just is very hard and with some snakes impossible.

depressor86 · 06-15-03, 05:22 PM

it sounds like your bp is a good striker now!
maybe you can try pre-killed and dangle it in the enclosure with tongs?

peregrinefalcon · 06-15-03, 07:22 PM

I never called you stupid and never judged you, I was just giving you some facts. If you want to feed them live then feed away, just be aware that it is very dangerous. As for them in the wild, yes thats how they feed, but captivity is not the wild.
Adam

06-16-03, 12:20 AM

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Originally posted by peregrinefalcon
I never called you stupid and never judged you, I was just giving you some facts. If you want to feed them live then feed away, just be aware that it is very dangerous. As for them in the wild, yes thats how they feed, but captivity is not the wild.
Adam

I didn't mean you when I said that. I was just talking about many people who do say those things.
I really now the risks but if your snake simply won't take dead you cannot let him stave so feed live and be aware.

06-16-03, 12:23 AM

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Originally posted by depressor86
it sounds like your bp is a good striker now!
maybe you can try pre-killed and dangle it in the enclosure with tongs?

He definatley is! When the mouse comes in he aims for the head, grabs it over the head (yes, he's really smart for a BP) and it's dead within 15 seconds.

And I tried everything, believe me. He just turns his head and goes away (just like he wants to say: Do you really think I would go for that).

peregrinefalcon · 06-16-03, 12:15 PM

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Originally posted by Naära
I didn't mean you when I said that. I was just talking about many people who do say those things.
I really now the risks but if your snake simply won't take dead you cannot let him stave so feed live and be aware.

Then I wish you and your ball python the best of luck! Just wondering, have you tried just stunning the mouse so it is still alive? If not maybe you should try that.
Adam