live bearing chameleons?

[wonder_chunky]

hey,

i'm trying to get into breeding some chameleons, i'm breeding veileds right now but i'm not too good at, and just dont really like to look after eggs...i get so paranoid that i'm not doing it right and stuff...so i'd prefer if the mom chameleon did all the work and just plop me out some live babies!
but i dont know of any live bearing chams besides jacksons that are really popular...i dont want to breed a cham that i wont be able to sell...so does anyone know of any?

thanks

[Laurier]

do some research


http://www.adcham.com

ever stop to think that maby asking a question is part of his research? that was rather harsh...

mind u though from reading the post your breading for the wrong reasons.... dont do it cause you want to "turn" a profit or have ones you will be able to sell. you should do it because its something you like/want to do and THEN if you make some money be happy..... but as the previous post said do some research... and if this is part of your research well good luck with your project

[wonder_chunky]

i totally agree....i am doing it because i really do love it!...i spend 90% of my time and money caring for these guys, i do it because i get enjoyment from it, but i'm only 15 years old and its sorta hard for me to make an easy buck to pay for all of the herps, and CRICKETS!...they cant get expensive here!
so i want to breed them because i love looking after them but also the money would help to aid in getting more herps so i can continue to do this........also...are jacksons chams very popular (to sell)..i'm thinkin about getting a couple.

[Laurier]

i said he should research more because i gave him and awsome sitefor him to look at and find out whats species are live bearing. as for the profit issue, make sure youknow what you saying and how you are saying it on a post. alot can be misleading.

i do not think that saying you should do some more reseach is harsh. When your asking questions like "what are live bearing species" or "can males and females of this species be housed together" . questions like these can easily be answered on the adcham site.

as for the fact that you want live bearing species this shows that you do not believe that you can perform the tanks of taking care of the eggs. see your missing out, and taking care of the eggs is probably the most rewarding job in your part you have to do because you feel rewarded when your eggs start hatching, and it shows your skills as a breeder. live bearing are awsome to wake up and see a bunch off offspring running around but unless you like that species your mainly in it for the money.

as for wonder_chucky, i accually think you should consider doing more research. from what i read you basically killed you veiled and you came here crying "ahh she was egg bound", you killed her face it. you did not provide a proper egg laying site and she would not lay the eggs and than it got to late. As for your werneri, you thought it was a jacksons. wow 2 species that aren't that to hard to seperate as 2 individual species. I personally think you should do more research before you get any more chameleons, if you disagree with me i just hope for the best of the chameleons.

Laurier

[wonder_chunky]

man...this forum WAS cool...i ask a question and some guy i dont even know or care about comes on and accuses me of stuff and yells at me....i'm simply asking a question..is there any harm on that seeing as how this IS an information forum...as for me killing her...i went to alot of websites and did exactly what they told me to do, so dont start yelling at me, i did exactly as you said, i researched! and how do you expect me to NOT believe my werners was a jacksons...the pet store handed it to me and said "here ya go kid...this is a jacksons chameleon!" but i noticed she was different and researched (theres that word you love so much) and found out she wasnt one!...so maybe you should know what your talking about before you try and make people feel bad to make yourself look cool...it isnt working man

[Laurier]

ohh i am trying to look cool, thats right. just telling you the truth.

you seem to know very few facts about chameleons and how to keep them. see we have things called search engines, probably have heard of them but when you type in live bearing chameleons or something like montain chameleons there will be a nice set of sites that you can open and look at.

i think that you should try and find information before you come on here and ask questions that can be found in some simple research , yes research is one of my favorite word because without it you would be an idiot to what your doing.

next time you post a question i promise i won't say anything, already get enough kicks at what you say, the funniest one so far was you wanting to get parsons. ya, any novice chameleon keeper knows that they are rare in captivity and that they are hard to keep because of husbandry.

Laurier

[Linds]

......please play fairly on these forums, this is what sets us aside from the others, the fact that we do not have people posting negatively and throwing accusations. We are a very friendly group here, and happy to answer questions to help, asking questions is an essential part of research

Regards.....................

[sSNAKESs.com]

Laurier if he thought he knew he wouldnt be asking questions.. this isnt kingsnake man, answer questions to the best of your ability or just ignore the questions please... Not everyone is a experienced keeper...

[sSNAKESs.com]

Laurier i didnt mean to be rude but THESE forums are here for asking questions or begginers or advanced keepers, we dont mind answering even the smallest or silliest questions I dont mean to offend you, just letting you know

[Jeff_Favelle]

Because chameleons are stupid, ugly little lizards!










Ha ha, just kidding. But they ARE tricky and not for the novice. Get a leopard or day gecko first to learn basic husbandry. But if its a chameleon you must have, read every single article you can find, 'cause you're playing with an animal's life.

Jeff Favelle

[wonder_chunky]

i'm still laughing at laurier's last post....if you only knew what you were talking about!...first of all....i only got my VERY FIRST chameleon in december...how much do you expect me to know!
oh look...that research word again...my main research source is ssnakess.com (thanks jeff ) i have found most, if not all of my information on here and not once had anyone treat me like this, i may not know as much about chameleons as you do so thats why i am asking, how else do you expect me to learn? how would i know that parsons chameleons are rare....the way i found out was researching!!...your fav. word...i came on here and asked and my question was answered pretty nicely, i believe you even answered it for me. whenever i post a question on here i always used to read your posts first because they were the most informative, you seemed to know alot about chameleons and i respected you for that. But now it sems like it is a crime to come on an information forum for information!!!! if you have a problem with the questions i as, then dont bother helping me, there are plenty of other experienced reptile keepers on this site that i would love to hear what they have to say, they are every bit experienced as you are...but alot nicer in giving the information...

[Jaylyn]

Ryan,

I think the point Laurier (and others) are trying to make - is that chameleons are not easy to care for in captivity. Have some sucess with the veileds first - they are the hardiest chameleon.

I am OMG almost 30 - stay home to care for my children - and spend every spare minute researching and caring for the reptiles. And I still have piles of information to go through and things to learn (mainly on chams). To be frank - there are not many (if any??) experienced cham keepers in Canada - so this is maybe ?? not the best forum to seek advice on husbandry (note that being experienced means working with several species for many, many years). The egg-binding could have been prevented - the information is there. You need to be able to learn from your mistakes and then do the research.

I think I remember reading that you are fifteen. I don't know if you realize the time and money that sucess/responsible cham breeding requires. With the veileds even - misting (three times a day), drip (twice a day), depending where you live: fogger (several times a day), preparing high quality gutload, variety of purchased and wild caught insects, reduced feeding and cooling to lower the number of eggs produced (as to not exhaust and kill the female in just a few breedings), etc. The montane species require even more exact care. Then feeding and housing 25-50 babies in individual housing for three months. Finding GOOD homes for the babies. Cham breeding is not particularly finacially rewarding - when all costs are taken into consideration. And you are young (not saying you can't do it) - but enjoy your TIME!! Many breeders are unable to take holidays - you have lots of time ahead of you (when you're old like me!).

Jaylyn

[AzR@k]

all i have to say is if you can breed them successfully congradulations i wanted to own chams but after i did the research and discovered how even handleing can kill them i decided not to purchase them....i am doing the lizard thing by starting out with something easy for me it is a chinese water dragon...but down the road when i have alot more money and time i will invest in chams but when that time comes i will have all the knowledge i need to know...but dont ever be discouraged ur only 15(not saying that i am alot older then u but i am older) if u fail there is always a 2nd shoot with trying an easier to mantain lizard! or even snakes! but no matter what bad things are said keep trying and learning!

[Laurier]

sorry wonder_chucky,

but you can thank memento for starting this. I gave you probably the best site to look through and see what is a live bear. See this is not the best forum for lizards and amphibians because as you probably know 80% of out reptile / amphibian industry up here is snakes. if you want to learn more got to the chameleon forum find hardcore reptiles and e-mail him up. he is probably one of the bigger chameleon breeds/ keepers online thats in canada.

as for laughting at my post, well you should consider researching in a different way and just come here and ask questions that you could not answer through your research. Why i say this is because most of the information you are learning from people is personal experience and opinion. I suggest you go get a book and read it before you get anymore chameleons.

Since you know so much and have have a handful of chameleons i suggest you don't buy a chameleon without researching on it. Trust me you are lucky you got a werneri instead of a jackson. Because jacksons need a 10 degree drop at night from 72 to 62 and they hate being in hot locations. These chameleons stress out very easily and because of them being montain it hard to keep them in the same room as veileds and panthers.

sa for you being 15, no excuss. if you want a chameleon make sure you can take care of it. chameleons aren't that hard if they are given the right husbandry. This is similar to what i say to people about dart frogs, because the darts have a reputation for being hard to care for. See i will have 25 dart frogs in 2 weeks and people are always saying, how can you take care of that many, i spend so much time with my 4 and it takes up alot of time. Than i basically tell them that if you give them the right housing darts are as easy as a whites tree frog. I laught when i think back going oh i need experience before i buy darts. this is why i laught, because i listened to people who told me "start off with something like a whites tree frog" and i was like ok so i got some red eye tree frogs, another over rated frog. So now i tell people who have never kept a frog that if they want frogs just research make the enclosure and make sure its the right temp and humidty and you can keep darts.

what i am also saying in this post is kind of leading from AzR@k
post because i hate hearing kids saying oh this animal is to hard for me. i think just go for it, screw what other people say just do it as long as you have your research down. Trust me AzR@k chameleons aren't that hard, just time consuming.

well i think i should stop blabbering on about everything, could be here for hours.

Laurier