border
sSNAKESs : Reptile Forum
 

Go Back   sSNAKESs : Reptile Forum > Community Forums > General Discussion

Notices

Closed Thread
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 12-14-17, 08:32 AM   #1
monelle
Member
 
Join Date: Dec-2017
Posts: 2
Country:
Mountain Blacksnake

In the book Snakes of the Catskill Mountains, there is a called a snake called the Mountain Blacksnake, which is differentiated from the Common Blacksnake in that the belly is yellowish (not gray), it has keeled scales, and it is larger. In fact, it is called the largest snake in the area, often attaining a length of 7 feet. The book also says that this snake is much less nervous than the Common Blacksnake.

I cannot find any reference to this snake on the internet or in Google images. As the book was written in 1953, I am wondering if this snake is now called something else (e.g., Eastern Rat Snake?). Please forgive me, I am trying to put together some photographs for my grandson, but I know absolutely nothing about snakes.
monelle is offline  
Login to remove ads
Old 12-16-17, 01:50 AM   #2
jjhill001
Member
 
Join Date: Jan-2015
Location: Youngstown
Posts: 905
Country:
Re: Mountain Blacksnake

Tossup between the eastern rat snake, formerly the black rat snake and northern black snake. That's assuming that they are even talking about separate species. In reality, I've seen black rat snakes with whitish tones and I've seen black rat snakes with yellowish tones in their color. It very well could be a locality morphological coloration difference in either the black rat snake or northern racer.

The black rat snake is technically the longest snake in North America (Indigos are unofficially the largest) with a record size of 8ft 5 inches recorded back in 1939. This would give more credence to the idea that if they are saying they hit 7 feet pretty regularly that it's a black rat snake that they were talking about.

The record length for a Racer is only 6ft 1 inches but that record length includes the entire racer species and not just the northern ones.

Another difference is that the Racer DOESN'T have keeled scales while the Black Rat Snake has slightly keeled scales.

Thirdly, behaviorally speaking, racer snakes are noted to be quite irascible compared to rat snakes.

So, based on the description I'm gonna say that the Common Black Snake in 1953 was the Northern Racer Snake and the Mountain Black Snake was the Black Rat Snake (Now Eastern Rat Snake).
jjhill001 is offline  
Old 12-16-17, 07:50 AM   #3
monelle
Member
 
Join Date: Dec-2017
Posts: 2
Country:
Re: Mountain Blacksnake

Thank you so much for detailed response!
monelle is offline  
Closed Thread

Tags
black, blacksnake, catskills, mountain


Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


All times are GMT -6. The time now is 04:10 AM.

Powered by vBulletin®
©2000 - 2024, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Copyright © 2002-2023, Hobby Solutions.

right