Not a big fan of wc

Xetox · 02-26-03, 03:27 PM

I think that there is plenty of heps alreay that can be breed, I mean that is the purpose of field collecting is to introduce new blood and I don't have a problem with that!

But I think as hobbiest we should stop and think before we go collecting.........

BWSmith · 02-26-03, 03:59 PM

Good topic.

I will probably see a hundred snakes this year and may only keep 2 or 3. But that dpends on what I find too. I have a list of species that I need ofr educational programs. Oddly enough a Corn Snake is on the list. "Why not just buy one?" Because in the woods of the south, you are hardpressed to comeaccross a wild Caramel X Albino X Creamsicle X Melanistic X het for legs Corn Snake. The only way i can truly represent what is around here is to find a wild one. But I think that i am more a unique situation.

But as you mentioned, WC bring in new bloodlines. The average person going out herping nd keeping a few odds and ends are not going to hurt the environment. But you have to be logical and you have to be ethical. if you find a Rainbow Snake, let it go unless you have a healthy supplyof feeder eels! One of my deals is that I don't really sell anything I catch, they are for me. Or I may catch them for someone elses collection if they tell me to keep an eye out for a particular species.

Xetox · 02-26-03, 04:22 PM

I agree....for personal use I think its fine my big issue is all the imports that are coming in for one, I mean they ship 10's of 1000's of pythons into the country every year!! why because u can buy them wholesale for 10$ a piece and resale them for more.

I dont agree with this, yes we need imports and field finds for some things but we need to get a grip on it and try to learn how to controll it!

Here is a good article that puts it into content http://www.arbreptiles.com/cc.html

crimsonking · 02-26-03, 08:30 PM

I think a great majority here "collect" only pics and memories!! (at least buy into the notion) Rarely will you find an animal that is as good as the c.b. equivalent anyway.
:Mark

marisa · 02-26-03, 08:47 PM

Xetox...I agree with you. Too many of certain species are imported. While more Blood Pythons (EXAMPLE! I have no clue if to many or none have been imported lol) may need to be imported because not enough localities/blood lines around, Ball Pythons on the other hand are ridiculous, as well as Green Iguanas and many types of Parrots (birds but hey)

If people would stop buying these overly imported animals as WC then eventually it would stop. But considering that 1000's of pet stores, and 10,000's of stupid people won't stop because they can either make an easy buck or save a few bucks, I doubt the importation of these species will ever end.

Marisa

BWSmith · 02-26-03, 09:29 PM

Now we have changed topics from herpers keeping their finds to imorting WC. Most herpers int he US (and I would think Canada) do not do massive amounts of collecting for profit or exportation. While these topics are related, they are not the same.

marisa · 02-27-03, 12:10 AM

Well thank you for explaining that. I had no idea? lol

Dude its obivous they are not the same. We aren't all children here, you don't have to break everything down

*L* But in Canada there aren't many people collecting wild caught snakes, and the WC we are normally speaking of are imports.

But as I look now, I notice the thread starter is from Kansas, so I did in fact take it in the wrong direction, as I assumed he was from Canada since the forum is based here.

Marisa

paul_le_snake · 02-27-03, 12:17 AM

personally i believe that wc and ranched are very outdated, with all the technolgy we have at our disposle why do we need to import thousands of ball pythons or other snake and lizards?
cheers
paul

BWSmith · 02-27-03, 08:48 AM

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Well thank you for explaining that. I had no idea?

Your welcome.

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Dude its obivous they are not the same. We aren't all children here, you don't have to break everything down

Most of the time it is best to have it perfectly clear. It is amazin how vocal and opinionated people get when they do not understand the question. Clarification needed to be added so that people dont argue till they are blue in the face and then realize it was on 2 separate issues.

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so I did in fact take it in the wrong direction

It is understandable, but an excellent example of why a direction needed to be clearly defined. And from the verbage set forth by the original poster, the subject was field collecting.

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I think as hobbiest we should stop and think before we go collecting

As HOBBIESTS. It was not regarding imports. However, both are important issues with heated beliefs and feelings on both sides of the fence. It would make for a good debate as to when and how importing WC animals is wrong. But it should probably be a thread in the General forum unless we get much deeper into the subject of native people collecting for export and the social and economic factors involved there.

Just my 3 cents.

marisa · 02-27-03, 05:31 PM

Man chill out I was actually joking.

You don't always have to be so serious. Especially on a forum like this. You know, a friendly forum.

Marisa

marisa · 02-27-03, 05:37 PM

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Xetox · 02-27-03, 09:12 PM

Sorry to start just a uproar

Yes they are two different subject and I should have probally started a seperate thread....living in missouri and having access to just drive around and drive to texas/mexico and see how much of the wc is really going on kinda gets to me......I know some is good, if u run across a spieces that would be good help with new blood I am all for it....but I know alot of catchers thare are collecting and selling for just profit and I dont like that!

There are enough of us like me out there that are breeding that we dont need as much wc as we used to!

As for imports I just dont like that at all, yes like I said again we do need new blood lines coming in but those new blood lines should be going to breeders like us not to pet stores to be sold to just any new hobbiest out there!

Just my 2 cents!

BWSmith · 02-27-03, 10:58 PM

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You don't always have to be so serious. Especially on a forum like this. You know, a friendly forum.

On any forum, clarity is imperative. You cannot easily convey small manurisms and gestures through text.

But just FYI: This is me VERY calm. wait till we get a topic i am addament about

Xetox · 02-27-03, 11:03 PM

I am very addament about this subject! Well at least the import part......I hate to see it going on knowing that all I can do is just what I am doing now. I am a breeder and sell to most the local pet stores around, thats bout all I know to do, and when I go to a show I make sure I know what I am buying before I buy! I just try to do my research and try to keep from buying anything that I know I could by cb!

Lisa · 03-01-03, 04:19 PM

one thing to remember alot of the wc herps (like blood pythons)aren't destined for the pet trade. they are destined for skins or food. personal field collecting has hardly an impact compared to the comercial aspect of the herp trade. like crimson king, when i go out in the field i usually bring only pictures and memories back