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04-18-16, 02:02 PM
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2016 Herp Finds
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04-18-16, 02:03 PM
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Re: 2016 Herp Finds
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04-18-16, 02:04 PM
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Re: 2016 Herp Finds
A toad, not sure if it's a Fowler's or American. Almost ran him over.
Thanks for looking 
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04-18-16, 02:17 PM
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Re: 2016 Herp Finds
Wow! Nice finds SS. What a successful outing. I feel bad for the garter with the chewed up tail. Thanks for sharing that. Looks like both those eastern garters might be intergrades by the red lateral striping. Just a observation.
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04-18-16, 02:18 PM
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Re: 2016 Herp Finds
Very nice finds! Nice looking Dekay's with that stripe. Looking forward to seeing what else you find.
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04-19-16, 12:01 AM
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Re: 2016 Herp Finds
Tail does look rough, but at least the snake escaped and survived, so I'd call that a win. Looks a bit different than the local garters, ours are mostly black and yellow.
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04-19-16, 05:39 AM
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Re: 2016 Herp Finds
Alot of the times this type of tail condition is indicative of a parasitic condition in wild garter snakes. They are usually loaded with endoparasites. Specifically the nematodes that after infecting the animal, head to the tail. They remain there and cause more tissue damage.
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04-19-16, 09:30 AM
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Re: 2016 Herp Finds
this herping thing is starting to recruit me. i'm just scared i'd pick up a copperhead or viper or something....
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04-19-16, 10:50 AM
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Re: 2016 Herp Finds
The garters are probably not intergrades, here in MI we only have eastern garters and butlers garters. Easterns are a much more common find for me, and most of them around here look like this
Macandchz, it's always a good idea to get familiar with the venomous snakes in your state, so that if you happen to come across one you know what it is and to leave it alone. Here in MI we only have one species of venomous snake, the eastern massasauga. While they're pretty tough to find, I've become familiar with them and if I happen to come across one it'll be pretty easy to tell them apart from other non-venomous snakes.
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04-19-16, 11:02 AM
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Re: 2016 Herp Finds
Mac, just go for it. It's always fun seeing these animals in the wild. Just do a bit of research on native snakes in your area, as Snoop said. And if you aren't 100% sure of what a snake is, just leave it be. It can still be nice to observe/photograph snakes without picking them up.
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04-19-16, 02:17 PM
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Re: 2016 Herp Finds
Hey Snoop, they should be intergrades bc The Butlers garter (T. Butleri) and Eastern garter (T.S.sirtalis) are different species. I think the Eastern red sided( T.S.parietalis) is also in your range. Probably just not as abundant. T.S.sirtalis and T.S.parietalis are related subspecies. Butlers is a different animal. Then there is the polymorphism that is very common in garter snakes.
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04-19-16, 08:34 PM
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Re: 2016 Herp Finds
According to Michigan DNR and other people in the state, Butlers and Easterns are all we have. Easterns are highly variable and often have red/orange tones, in fact most of the ones I find look pretty similar to the ones I've posted
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04-19-16, 09:14 PM
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Re: 2016 Herp Finds
The Michigan DNR website is a bit confusing, it lists Eastern Garter Snakes but stops at the species level with the Latin, Thamnophis sirtalis. The proper common name for T. sirtalis is Common Garter. Eastern Garters (T. sirtalis sirtalis) are a subspecies of Common Garters, and the only subspecies of Common Garter found in Michigan. You would have to go a long ways to the west, into Minnesota, to find Red-Sided Garter Snakes (T. s. parietalis). You are correct that y'all only have Eastern Garters (T. s. sirtalis) and Butler's Garters (T. butleri) in Michigan, though Northern Ribbons (T. sauritus septentrionalis) are technically also Garters. What you have here are definitely Eastern Garters. Nice finds, and best of luck on your hunt this year!
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04-20-16, 03:55 AM
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Re: 2016 Herp Finds
According to "The Garter Snakes" Evolution and Ecology by Rossman , Ford and Siegel , the T.S.parietalis females activity range of 8000m2 in Michigan as far back as 1952. In contrast , T.S.parietalis males had a activity range of 142000m2 in Kansas. Variable movements probably reflects population differences in distance between suitable hibernation sites and summer foraging areas.
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05-11-16, 01:50 PM
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Re: 2016 Herp Finds
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