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11-03-14, 01:57 PM
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Animal Attack/Bite statistics
Per year in the USA
Dog attacks : 4.7 million 40-50 are Fatal
Cat attacks: 800 thousand sent to ER
Car accident: 45.5 thousand fatalities in 2013
Constrictors: 23 since 1978
Venomous snakes: 8 thousand bites 5 fatalities a year
Smoking: 440 thousand deaths a year
Alcohol: 88 thousand deaths a year
Now tell me. Are venomous snakes such a threat?
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11-03-14, 02:05 PM
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Re: Animal Attack/Bite statistics
well my first question would be, what is your source? Do you have a link that identifies this information from a reputable source?
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11-03-14, 02:18 PM
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Re: Animal Attack/Bite statistics
The source(s) are a long list... not just 1.
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11-03-14, 02:43 PM
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Re: Animal Attack/Bite statistics
Lives wasted staring at internet sites and snake blogs?
Just kidding. That's a very informative list. Thanks for posting.
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11-03-14, 03:14 PM
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Re: Animal Attack/Bite statistics
Ahahaha I never thought to look up smoking related fatalities and compare them to snake related fatalities. More people die every thirty minutes from smoking than non-venomous snakes have killed in 35+ years. You can't fix stupid. Roflmao. That is really blowing my mind right now.
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11-03-14, 04:54 PM
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Re: Animal Attack/Bite statistics
I suspect that if we were exposed to venomous snakes as much as we are these other hazards, the number of venomous bites and deaths would be considerably higher. Additionally, we are very fortunate to have access to proper medical care and anti-venom for the very large majority of venomous snakes that bite the people here in the US
Worldwide, the estimate is that at least 421,000 venomous bites and 20,000 deaths from snakebites occur each year, especially in South and South East Asia and sub-Saharan Africa.
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11-03-14, 05:05 PM
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Re: Animal Attack/Bite statistics
I agree Jim. But you have overall health of the population to consider as well.
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11-03-14, 05:11 PM
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Re: Animal Attack/Bite statistics
In the state of Georgia and South Carolina there are hundreds of Venomous snake keepers... when was the last time you heard of a keeper dying from a bite? It's a very rare situation. Getting bit on a summer night going barefoot is more likely.
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11-03-14, 05:14 PM
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Re: Animal Attack/Bite statistics
threat/danger is not measured just in mortality. It is also measured in morbidity. Morbidity in pit viper envenomation in the US is substantial. Significant lost work time, enormous medical cost, rehab costs, disability, etc.
As I tell patients in the ER...you may not be lucky enough to die from your heart attack or stroke. You just *might* live.....as a severely disabled person. Just something to think about.
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11-03-14, 06:31 PM
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Re: Animal Attack/Bite statistics
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Originally Posted by Jim Smith
I suspect that if we were exposed to venomous snakes as much as we are these other hazards, the number of venomous bites and deaths would be considerably higher. Additionally, we are very fortunate to have access to proper medical care and anti-venom for the very large majority of venomous snakes that bite the people here in the US
Worldwide, the estimate is that at least 421,000 venomous bites and 20,000 deaths from snakebites occur each year, especially in South and South East Asia and sub-Saharan Africa.
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Obviously the risk of bites and the effects of any given bite are significantly higher in the undeveloped world. Do a bit of research on diseases and parasites in undeveloped countries vs the developed world, the numbers are absolutely staggering. Any given insect bite or even a little paper cut you would hardly notice here could easily be a death sentence in the undeveloped world.
I personally could be in those numbers somewhere, as a kid I was bitten in the face by a dog (it was young and bit me playfully but I still have small scars) and "mauled" by a cat (not serious really, just small scratches on my arm that bled a lot and freaked my mom out). I have been involved in four auto accidents in my life (only behind the wheel for one, somebody pulled out in front of me), and had a number of alcohol related incidents that could have easily been much worse. On the other hand I've been actively seeking out, observing and handling thousands of snakes including at least hundreds of venomous snakes over the past twenty years and other than nearly stepping on something I didn't see until the last moment I've never had a situation develop you could even reasonably consider a "close call." Clearly there is an inherent danger to working with any wild animal and freak accidents do happen but when millions of people chose to smoke and die from the side effects in massive numbers then turn around and try to tell me snakes are a major threat to public safety because half a dozen people die in snake related accidents a year I can't help but roll my eyes. I've never felt that comparing traffic accident related deaths to snake related deaths to be a good comparison as auto accidents are basically necessary evil, you do what you can to stay safe but we've got to get around somehow, but I really like these smoking statistics. I watched both my grandfathers die very slow and painful deaths due to smoking related cancers, a former co-worker is going through the same thing now. Another co-worker almost lost his life last year to heart disease that was the result of damage done by smoking (he quit smoking some twenty years ago). He underwent triple-bypass surgery. Snake related incidents are always either accidents or the result of an idiot messing with an animal, smoking deaths are intentional. People smoke knowing full well it will have a major negative impact on their health and will likely play a roll in their death. They can toke a cigarette and in the same breath say that I shouldn't be allowed to keep a Burm. Give me a break. The secondhand smoke from their disgusting habit is more likely to kill me than a lifetime of working with snakes. But at the same time you are not going to see me trying to take away their right to smoke.
P.S. To temper the snake bite statistics a bit a rather large percentage of captive venomous snake bites and deaths reported in the US come from snake handling religious cults. It is difficult to say exactly how many are from cults (they call themselves churches, I'm rolling my eyes again) and obviously not all bites are reported.
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11-03-14, 07:01 PM
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Re: Animal Attack/Bite statistics
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threat/danger is not measured just in mortality. It is also measured in morbidity. Morbidity in pit viper envenomation in the US is substantial. Significant lost work time, enormous medical cost, rehab costs, disability, etc.
As I tell patients in the ER...you may not be lucky enough to die from your heart attack or stroke. You just *might* live.....as a severely disabled person. Just something to think about.
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Don't worry! There's very little risk in owning venomous snakes. The numbers tell me it's completely okay. You're more likely to die by a horse. Living in a city apartment building than a venomous snake your neighbour has. Numbers tell me so.
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11-03-14, 07:01 PM
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Re: Animal Attack/Bite statistics
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Don't worry! There's very little risk in owning venomous snakes. The numbers tell me it's completely okay. You're more likely to die by a horse. Living in a city apartment building than a venomous snake your neighbour has. Numbers tell me so.
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Always one of these, hmm?
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11-03-14, 08:11 PM
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Re: Animal Attack/Bite statistics
I gotta tell you Aaron, your sarcasm is uncalled for. These are statistics. Proven data.
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11-03-14, 08:17 PM
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Re: Animal Attack/Bite statistics
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Don't worry! There's very little risk in owning venomous snakes. The numbers tell me it's completely okay. You're more likely to die by a horse. Living in a city apartment building than a venomous snake your neighbour has. Numbers tell me so.
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I don't think the OP or anyone else is saying that venomous snakes aren't dangerous. What they're saying is that other things have caused more deaths to people than venomous snakes and yet society has this real negative view on them.
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11-03-14, 09:30 PM
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Re: Animal Attack/Bite statistics
Thank you Zap. You hit the nail right on the head.
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