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02-08-14, 12:23 AM
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Is cage too big?
So Marilyn and Shirley are currently housed in a 50-55 gallon, plastic tub. It is see-rhrough. I have no hides, heating or plants. I do have newspaper, some sticks to climb and a rock swimming bowl. Is one of them stressed due to size? They are housed together but loce each other, always next to each other and chillin in the pool together Iwill be getting all supplies in 2 days
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02-08-14, 01:16 AM
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Re: Is cage too big?
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Originally Posted by snake momma
So Marilyn and Shirley are currently housed in a 50-55 gallon, plastic tub. It is see-rhrough. I have no hides, heating or plants. I do have newspaper, some sticks to climb and a rock swimming bowl. Is one of them stressed due to size? They are housed together but loce each other, always next to each other and chillin in the pool together Iwill be getting all supplies in 2 days
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You need hides, they're a must. Even if you just cut paper towels rolls in half, you should give them something to hide in. And snakes don't love each other; they aren't capable of those kinds of emotions. At best, they might tolerate living together.
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02-08-14, 01:17 AM
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Re: Is cage too big?
No enclosure is too big.
Small enclosures are better when they are empty, however a big enclosure with lots of cover is better in my opinion.
Don't know much about garter snakes but I think most snakes will appreciate the extra cover if you provide them with hides, logs and such.
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02-08-14, 02:32 AM
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Re: Is cage too big?
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You need hides, they're a must. Even if you just cut paper towels rolls in half, you should give them something to hide in. And snakes don't love each other; they aren't capable of those kinds of emotions. At best, they might tolerate living together.
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Actually garters are fairly social.
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02-08-14, 03:19 AM
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Re: Is cage too big?
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Actually garters are fairly social.
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Being social doesn't mean they have affection or love for one another. Not to mention, they'll always be in competition for the best spots in the enclosure.
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02-08-14, 03:41 AM
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Re: Is cage too big?
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Being social doesn't mean they have affection or love for one another. Not to mention, they'll always be in competition for the best spots in the enclosure.
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Just wanna throw out, I've heard of garter snake dens, where there are 10-100's of those guys together.
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02-08-14, 07:36 AM
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Re: Is cage too big?
Theyre in the dens because it is a safe space during cold months or for breeding. Many people keep garters together/in groups, if I remember right OP your garters are very different sizes, and the one is mot eating? For those reasons I would separate then (temporarily)and get some cover amd hides in there asap.
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02-08-14, 08:00 AM
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Re: Is cage too big?
No enclosure is ever to big for any snake if there is hides and cover. Garter snake are found in groups in the wild. I have found many groups of Garter Snakes where there were dozens of Garter Snakes living together in the wildm by choicem in all different times of the year.
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02-08-14, 08:15 AM
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Re: Is cage too big?
Agreed , no cage is to big. To open...maybe but as long as you provide enough cover its fine. Nature is rumored to be quite large 
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02-08-14, 08:20 AM
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Re: Is cage too big?
empty kleenex boxes, paper towel tubes, butter dish tops, jar lids, etc.. all make great hides.
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02-08-14, 08:21 AM
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Re: Is cage too big?
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Nature is rumored to be quite large |
Sadly, it's getting smaller at an alarming rate...
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02-08-14, 09:51 AM
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Re: Is cage too big?
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Being social doesn't mean they have affection or love for one another. Not to mention, they'll always be in competition for the best spots in the enclosure.
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My post was more aimed at you mentioning they will barely tolerate each other.
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02-08-14, 03:52 PM
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Re: Is cage too big?
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My post was more aimed at you mentioning they will barely tolerate each other.
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I know. And I know garters are social in the wild. However, that doesn't mean that love each other or want company. Nor does it mean that in captivity, they do anything more than tolerate another snake in the environment.
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02-08-14, 03:54 PM
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Re: Is cage too big?
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I know. And I know garters are social in the wild. However, that doesn't mean that love each other or want company. Nor does it mean that in captivity, they do anything more than tolerate another snake in the environment.
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They have warm fuzzy feelings for eachother.
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02-08-14, 05:37 PM
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Re: Is cage too big?
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I know. And I know garters are social in the wild. However, that doesn't mean that love each other or want company. Nor does it mean that in captivity, they do anything more than tolerate another snake in the environment.
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If they don't want company why are they so commonly found together in the wild? I'm not saying they have enough thought capacity to feel lonely but they do congregate in the wild when there are plenty of other options.
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