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Old 07-02-13, 10:30 PM   #1
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Vanishing gene - and other heredatory traits.

So I am going to apologize upfront for the really crappy photo quality & Also the fact that I know VERY little about breeding. I have never looked into breeding, and I know that I don't have the space to begin breeding anytime soon .. but after getting my Milksnake I would like to look into it for the future....

Anyway, I am pretty sure my Hypo tangerine has the vanishing gene .. his bands are definitely fading. I know that some fade with age- but his are disappearing.



Is the vanishing trait hereditary? I have found that his colour is already pretty unique for the species colouration. It would be really cool if I could produce a similar pattern in the future?

I will admit at this point that I don't even know that the snake is male, or what traits he may carry 90% het albino etc. (Just an example) It has never been important to me before when purchasing a snake.

If I should ever get into breeding I promise I will do a lot of research.
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Old 07-03-13, 05:41 AM   #2
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So I am going to apologize upfront for the really crappy photo quality & Also the fact that I know VERY little about breeding. I have never looked into breeding, and I know that I don't have the space to begin breeding anytime soon .. but after getting my Milksnake I would like to look into it for the future....

Anyway, I am pretty sure my Hypo tangerine has the vanishing gene .. his bands are definitely fading. I know that some fade with age- but his are disappearing.



Is the vanishing trait hereditary? I have found that his colour is already pretty unique for the species colouration. It would be really cool if I could produce a similar pattern in the future?

I will admit at this point that I don't even know that the snake is male, or what traits he may carry 90% het albino etc. (Just an example) It has never been important to me before when purchasing a snake.

If I should ever get into breeding I promise I will do a lot of research.

Hi Valid, 90% het isn't something you really here about. Basic genetics (recessive, dominant) is pretty basic and you can probably learn the 'odds' and how everything works with the numbers in a day or so. You may be interested in learning how to use a Punnett square as well (google it).As for the vanishing trait, I don't know any specifics, sorry I can't help with that part.

Maybe this will help , I found it from a thread on Kingsnake

" >>As i understand the vanishing gene is ...

To the best of my knowledge no one has yet demonstrated vanishing pattern to be "a gene", or a recessive trait. It first appeared--or first got attention--in some of the early years of hypo production, and we've now seen it in a few ghosts (plus some albinos, as pix john and I have posted here demonstrate) so it may or may not be associated with hypos.

But it's been one of those things several people have tested, breeding van patt x van patt together without getting all or mostly van patts. I think it's a tendency, like the range from tricolor to tangerine, influenced by multiple genes, like striped hondos have been so far.

But there's always the chance for something new to occur. I brought in a "new" anerythristic hondo from Honduras this year--to the best of my knowledge the first one imported since the one David Doherty launched all of today's anerys with--and the first thought is to breed it X one of the present anerys, to make sure they're the same allele, the same mutation. OR to establish that they're different (i expect the former). Test breeding and more test breeding is gonna be required if a vanishing pattern ever is demonstrated to be a simple recessive.

To the best of my knowledge.

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Re: Vanishing gene - and other heredatory traits.

Thank you, that is good info.
The 90% was just an exaggeration of my inexperience. I really need to look more into reptile breeding so it might make sense.

Most of my 'production' experience come from livestock. The similarities between breeding cattle, and breeding snakes are very few I assume.
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Genetics generally work the same across the board. It gets a bit complicated when you get into codom and how it will be expressed, epigenetics, blah blah blah. But figure out how to do a punnett square, learn the heterozygous homozygous nonsense, and what category each 'morph' falls under, or each phenotype, and you'll be golden. Then fork out a bunch of cash for cool genetics and get started
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I am very familiar with the punnett square, I just don't know all the snake traits.
In reptiles you generally breed for colour/species - In cattle(other livestock) and horses you usually breed for other physical attributes, meat production, temperament etc.
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I am very familiar with the punnett square, I just don't know all the snake traits.
In reptiles you generally breed for colour/species - In cattle(other livestock) and horses you usually breed for other physical attributes, meat production, temperament etc.
Ah ok. A girl in my high school who had a major crush on me back in the day used to always talk about cows, and how the ones with the really straight backs were awesome or something. ZzzzZzzz

Anyways, you can probably find a list of morphs and genes and what not somewhere. Though I don't believe there is a 'worldof' website for colubrids
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