Boas are in the ban crosshairs

[Valvaren]

I don't think Millertime is trying to compare them on a emotional/tragic scale but more of a basic movement of the act itself.

[Norm66]

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[KORBIN5895]

So at what point do you think they will put us snake owners in concentration camps?

[Norm66]

Originally Posted by KORBIN5895

So at what point do you think they will put us snake owners in concentration camps?

It's got nothing to do with concentration camps. It's just about the people who didn't do anything because whatever it was didn't affect them, but eventually they came for their "whatever" too. It's a call to arms is all.

The poem could be about drugs with heroin and cocaine at the top and caffeine at the bottom. It could be about pit bulls and rottweilers at the top with golden retrievers and poodles at the bottom. It could be about Whoppers and Big Macs at the top with all meat products at the bottom.

It's a commentary on the slippery slope concept, not a direct comparison between what the Nazis did to the Jews in the 30s and 40s.

[KORBIN5895]

Originally Posted by Norm66

It's got nothing to do with concentration camps. It's just about the people who didn't do anything because whatever it was didn't affect them, but eventually they came for their "whatever" too. It's a call to arms is all.

The poem could be about drugs with heroin and cocaine at the top and caffeine at the bottom. It could be about pit bulls and rottweilers at the top with golden retrievers and poodles at the bottom. It could be about Whoppers and Big Macs at the top with all meat products at the bottom.

It's a commentary on the slippery slope concept, not a direct comparison between what the Nazis did to the Jews in the 30s and 40s.

Oh is that all? Maybe it would be better to use a different example than Nazi Germany. I am not the type of person that like sensationalism. Comparing this ban to the Nazis is pretty sensational if you ask me.

[Norm66]

Originally Posted by Norm66

It's a commentary on the slippery slope concept, not a direct comparison between what the Nazis did to the Jews in the 30s and 40s.

I just don't know how to say it any clearer.

[KORBIN5895]

Originally Posted by Shmoges

Something as important as this should have a sticky in each forum that is linked to one thread. Miller made me feel a bit embarrassed and I have to change the way I look at these bans. At first I thought oh well I don't have any inclination to keep big snakes at all so it doesn't affect me but who will be there for me when it does affect me. I need to support my brothers and sisters who do keep these animals and not say the stereotypical response "Good thing there banning them, to many idiots have big snakes and don't take care of them" This whole thing is analogous to Nazi Germany and the persecution of Jews. Control control control!!

I am sure having bills pass with your name on them make you look successful as a politician. Perhaps this is an easy area for them to attack?

You don't have to Norm. He did.

[Norm66]

Originally Posted by KORBIN5895

You don't have to Norm. He did.

Oh, I missed that. I thought you were talking about the 'When they came for...' poem. Yea, that's a gross overstatement. LOL.

What the heck though, people are upset. I'm particularly upset because the bill in WV will force me to give up most of my animals if it passes. I'll be able to afford to keep a couple. Maybe. Then the decision will be to go rogue (and risk having my animals destroyed) or pay up. So yea, I can see where people are upset about their rights (and no I don't see pet ownership as a privelege) being removed by the state as a knee-jerk reaction to a few irresponsible owners and one giant whacko.

[Skumbo]

Originally Posted by KORBIN5895

You don't have to Norm. He did.

you realize analogous means compared in a way that makes the other scenario more clear, and not a direct comparison in any way. Don't go pointing fingers unless you understand the language used.

[millertime89]

Originally Posted by Norm66

It's a commentary on the slippery slope concept, not a direct comparison between what the Nazis did to the Jews in the 30s and 40s.

Originally Posted by Norm66

I just don't know how to say it any clearer.

Norm hit the nail on the head, its one big slippery slope, and that's the LAST thing any of us here wants.

Originally Posted by Skumbo

you realize analogous means compared in a way that makes the other scenario more clear, and not a direct comparison in any way. Don't go pointing fingers unless you understand the language used.

easy there, lets keep this peaceful here.
Korbin, analogous =/= equivalent, not sure where you got that.

[red ink]

Can someone explain to me the intricacies of the "bill"... it's all a bit sentsationalised with poems and all at the moment.

1) What are the species in the ban?

2) What does "ban" actually mean legislation wise?

3) Are they actually going to come in and euthanise your pet snakes, as that's what's coming accross with the use of that poem?

[Skumbo]

Originally Posted by red ink

Can someone explain to me the intricacies of the "bill"... it's all a bit sentsationalised with poems and all at the moment.

1) What are the species in the ban?

2) What does "ban" actually mean legislation wise?

3) Are they actually going to come in and euthanise your pet snakes, as that's what's coming accross with the use of that poem?

What i understand is that you can not move any banned snakes across state borders. So everyone who has a banned snake can keep their snake, but if you ever need to move, go across state borders for a vet, etc etc its illegal. The point is to stop people from importing snakes into Florida (essentially) but they already have a state law limiting snakes being imported into the state, so i have no idea what the point is other than political jargon to get reelected.

Snakes that will be marked as "dangerous to wildlife" included:
Burmese python
Indian python
Northern African python
Southern African python
Reticulated python
Boa constrictor
Green anaconda
Yellow anaconda
Beni anaconda
DeSchauensee’s anaconda


the main argument behind this being "stupid" is that all of those snakes cannot survive outside of 3 lower counties in Florida and the most southern tip of Texas, all other states in the US will kill these snakes quickly based purely on the cold nevermind lack of food in many places.

The "argument" for it is based on the ill-informed idea that pet snakes can "get out" and "ruin wildlife" in the same way that only the largest of snakes did for a limited time in Florida. It has been proven that 80-90% of the snakes causing issues in Florida died in the last few years due to "slightly colder winters", everywhere else in the US are significantly colder during the winter than those three counties that were "too cold" the last few years anyway.

[Shmoges]

I stand behind my sensationalism. Thanks Millertime for finding that poem. Comparing situations in history to current affairs makes people take notice and respond. People dying in the millions has nothing to do with snake ownership and that's not where I was going so settle the hell down if you think that's what I meant.

[KORBIN5895]

Originally Posted by Skumbo

you realize analogous means compared in a way that makes the other scenario more clear, and not a direct comparison in any way. Don't go pointing fingers unless you understand the language used.

Nice editing skumbo.

a·nal·o·gous /əˈnaləgəs/Adjective:
1. Comparable in certain respects, typically in a way that makes clearer the nature of the things compared.

Nazi Germany is not comparable in any way, shape or form to our current government or this ban. I don not see the how you guys can marginalize 15 million deaths by comparing it to some stupid restrictions that can't be forced anyway. I am amazed that you could even still be arguing that it is okay to compare the two. Like I said when the feds start taking our houses and shoving us into cattle cars because we own snakes then it will be okay to compare the two. I am really pissed with your ignorance and self righteousness and will not be reading these threads anymore.

As far as I am concerned what has been said here can stay here because I will not carry it over to other threads.


No Kyle I am not moving to Mexico. That is Roy you are thinking about.

[red ink]

Originally Posted by Skumbo

What i understand is that you can not move any banned snakes across state borders. So everyone who has a banned snake can keep their snake, but if you ever need to move, go across state borders for a vet, etc etc its illegal. The point is to stop people from importing snakes into Florida (essentially) but they already have a state law limiting snakes being imported into the state, so i have no idea what the point is other than political jargon to get reelected.

Snakes that will be marked as "dangerous to wildlife" included:
Burmese python
Indian python
Northern African python
Southern African python
Reticulated python
Boa constrictor
Green anaconda
Yellow anaconda
Beni anaconda
DeSchauensee’s anaconda


the main argument behind this being "stupid" is that all of those snakes cannot survive outside of 3 lower counties in Florida and the most southern tip of Texas, all other states in the US will kill these snakes quickly based purely on the cold nevermind lack of food in many places.

The "argument" for it is based on the ill-informed idea that pet snakes can "get out" and "ruin wildlife" in the same way that only the largest of snakes did for a limited time in Florida. It has been proven that 80-90% of the snakes causing issues in Florida died in the last few years due to "slightly colder winters", everywhere else in the US are significantly colder during the winter than those three counties that were "too cold" the last few years anyway.

So this version of the "ban" isn't going to take your snakes away, you just won't be able to move them from state lines. Wasn't that the same clause as the previous proposed "ban"?

Does the "ban" abolish the breeding of these snakes within a state?
Will it make breeding these snakes illegal?