Nursery Cages? - Page 4

marisa · 02-04-04, 10:31 AM

I don't know much about chams but could anyone (on either side of this arguement or whatever it is) tell me why a chameleon would fall? I am actually curious, not asking because I think they cannot ever fall so don't give me any lip. LOL

It doesn't seem to make sense. I literally cannot pry Gus off a branch if I wanted too, and with five different points of grabbing (four feet and tail) I can't personally understand how a healthy one would fall????

Marisa

Sean Day · 02-04-04, 11:14 AM

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Originally posted by meow_mix450
ya it is, cause ones got another opinion lol! and they just keep going trying to convince people that there chocie is better

I really don't think anyone has tried to say a large cage is better then a small one. All I am trying to say is it is not essential for a young chams health to live in a small cage.
If you or Dank7oo believe it is, does that mean everyone posting from experience is lying?

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It doesn't seem to make sense. I literally cannot pry Gus off a branch if I wanted too, and with five different points of grabbing (four feet and tail) I can't personally understand how a healthy one would fall????

Marisa[/B]

Exactly

choriona · 02-04-04, 11:34 AM

Marisa - I think a cham might fall if it is not healthy. When a cham is really sick, it does not have that strong grip. Or if it had MBD and has fractures all in its legs.....and falling in that condition would definately break more bones. When the hatchlings that aren't ment to make it are slowly fading away, you find them on the ground of their cage. They are literally listless. They cannot grasp anything, so they could have fallen..
OR, you can have the drop and run defense that was mentioned before. One time I was out walking the dog and took my cham for a ride on my hand (we did this often)....Well, she saw a plane in the sky and thought it was a bird or something because she LET GO of my fingers and infalated her body like a parachute and fell to the ground. She landed perfectly on her feet and started to dart for the bushes. IT was really funny. She did not hurt herself and didn't break any bones. I have also seen this reaction where their tail grabs something on the way down.

drewlowe · 02-04-04, 11:43 AM

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Originally posted by marisa
I don't know much about chams but could anyone (on either side of this arguement or whatever it is) tell me why a chameleon would fall? I am actually curious, not asking because I think they cannot ever fall so don't give me any lip. LOL

It doesn't seem to make sense. I literally cannot pry Gus off a branch if I wanted too, and with five different points of grabbing (four feet and tail) I can't personally understand how a healthy one would fall????

Marisa

I second that, Neo's the same. It takes ALOT of work and trickery to try and get him out of his cage. His last vet visit we were late cause i couldn't get him to loosen his grip up, plus all the added hissing and lunging. Also i never see him move without his tail holding on to something or trying to.

I don't know how babies or juvies would compare against adults in the ability to grasp a branch (or act like neo and hold on for dear life) , (I got my only cham as an adult), could someone try to explain.

Sean Day · 02-04-04, 11:59 AM

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Originally posted by drewlowe
I second that, Neo's the same. It takes ALOT of work and trickery to try and get him out of his cage. His last vet visit we were late cause i couldn't get him to loosen his grip up, plus all the added hissing and lunging. Also i never see him move without his tail holding on to something or trying to.

I don't know how babies or juvies would compare against adults in the ability to grasp a branch (or act like neo and hold on for dear life) , (I got my only cham as an adult), could someone try to explain.

To me there is no difference at all, they all hold on with 5 different points. As long as you have properly sized branches, vines, dowel, or whatever you use they shouldn't fall for no reason.

Collide · 02-04-04, 04:07 PM

I have seen one of my chams fall once it was funny she tryed to reach for this branch and lunged but failed fell but did a tarzan thing and swong of a nother branch her tail cought (excited over food lol). Falling is not good sign all around, unless because of some of the defence reasions stated above by others.

tHeGiNo · 02-04-04, 04:24 PM

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Marisa - I think a cham might fall if it is not healthy. When a cham is really sick, it does not have that strong grip.

Perfectly said, choriona. Thats exactly it, generally a cham that falls is an unhealthy one. Should they fall, as I was saying, they have prehensile tails for a reason.

dank7oo · 02-04-04, 04:32 PM

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Also if you don't mind I would like some more information on your two neonates that died. Heh.

yes i was 10, and bug off

meow and brandy and wm and gf .. .i'll be emailing you all later

tHeGiNo · 02-04-04, 04:38 PM

May I ask why you are lying? Let me clear a few things up.

Take the time to read this thread please.

http://www.ssnakess.com/forums/showt...threadid=17623

Interesting. So, you have been keeping chameleons for two years. But you started with chameleons six years ago. And had two die from falling six years ago. Interesting, definitely interesting.

http://www.ssnakess.com/forums/showt...threadid=17717

Six years dealing with chameleons, yet you still didn't know what WC or CB meant? Maybe its a possibility, strange though.

Now it gets more juicy.

http://www.ssnakess.com/forums/showt...threadid=17684

Here, you clearly say you have never dealt with neonate chameleons before, and it was your first time.

I guess its lucky that I am bored as ever, so that I had the time to do a little research. Now comes the question, why lie? From the looks of it you were trying to back up your own theories, rather then accepting that you were wrong.

dank7oo · 02-04-04, 04:47 PM

This forum has fallen apart since trace left. In all honesty it was good till all you mindless ******* fell under the god 'gino'
im done here you bunch of worthless bastards.

tHeGiNo · 02-04-04, 04:50 PM

LMAO! It was definitely nice meeting you. It is too bad you couldn't accept that you were wrong

. Guess I didn't mean to take it that far, but I guess the newcomers are better off without people giving them false information as fact.

I hope this is not what you do any time you are wrong though. It's unfortunate, as I did see you as an avid chameleon collector. The funny part about this all was that a lot of people agreed with me, and with what I was saying, but couldn't find it in them to say anything. Fortunately, I could

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marisa · 02-04-04, 04:59 PM

DankZoo you are insulting, whiney and frankly if you cannot function normally like a human without Trace here, maybe you should be the one evaluating if you can handle the internet.

People disagreeing with you doesn't mean the forum is falling apart. GET OVER YOURSELF and either give advice you feel is right, stick with it, and let others do that same, or just go away.

Just because one person doesn't agree with you, you insult everyone in the thread, call people names and act like a child. Sad. Very sad. Why not grow up, and function like a normal person just like everyone else? This thread is TOTALLY 100% GREAT...WHY? Because their is discussion and debate. You are the only one who can't handle it. Here...http://www.dictionary.com .....thats a link to look up the definition of "debate"

Also I love have you whine and complain about how bad this forum is, then you go name calling (which no one but YOU did) and personally attacking people, which is against the TOS I believe (which no one else broke, but you)

Marisa

tHeGiNo · 02-04-04, 05:00 PM

On a nicer note, though, I would like to apologize for coming off so hard on you. However, I think giving wrong information to individuals seeking health is a HUGE issue here, and something that needs to be nailed directly on the head. It is way too common, and honestly unecessary.

marisa · 02-04-04, 05:03 PM

" This forum has fallen apart since trace left. In all honesty it was good till all you mindless ******* fell under the god 'gino'
im done here you bunch of worthless bastards."

I also like how we cannot even question your advice without being called "bastards" Frankly I hope you get a mod pming you about your abuse of this forum and the people enjoying debate.

Marisa

Sean Day · 02-04-04, 05:06 PM

Well this went downhill pretty quick. Unfortunately a good thread will probably be shut down now.