tell me you security tips...

[Steeve B]

see the fist post on this tread, they are very nice snakes that nobudy whats to keep(bad reputation)

[Zoe]

Python Sebae is an African Rock Python. They are BIG, VICIOUS snakes.

Here are some pics:
http://members.aol.com/loxocemus/sna...rockpython.jpg (eating a gazelle)

http://209.233.186.60/AprilFolder/ab...s/afrrock1.jpg

http://www.bushveld.co.za/pictures-o...iles/mouth.jpg (big teeth)

http://www.geocities.com/maggiemay_snake/CromCurl1.jpg

http://www.geocities.com/maggiemay_snake/CromChair1.JPG

[Steeve B]

see the nice retic on your avatar, befor bob started breeding them nobody whanted these as well. most pepoles optaining seba alredy have a burm.

[ReptiZone]

A giant sanke collector will have a few burm a few retic B4 they get a sebae it is all part of adding a fresh specimen to a colection and to be able to say they have another giant snake from a difrent local and so on and so on...... i will be geting a pair of rocks after my pair of retics and my one burm and one anaconda those are snakes i have no intention in breeding...lol I would like to breed sebaes just caues I dont think there is a lot of ppl that do captive Breeding of them it has ben said that it is not an easy task.

[Steeve B]

this is a pet animal forum, and I respect this, I only keep monitors turtles frogs salamanders as pets, this is what I mostly share with pepoles on forums, as for giant pythons and crocodiles we farm them to supply other needs, I will not discuss on this forum.
in 20 years I never sold any for the pet trade, or only a few less then a dosen, but I had many demands.

[Emily-Fisher]

Why must you be so secure about owning a shop?!

[Steeve B]

one more thing aim not in favour of keeping large snakes as pets, aim also very evolved against the slathering of these animals in the wild, that’s why we farm them and try to work thing with CITES officials to improve the situation, as for keeping by private individual as pet, we fight for the right and freedom of choice, and hope these animals are kept responsibly.

[Emily-Fisher]

Thats really cool! Do you sell them afterwards?

[Steeve B]

IV devoted my life to animals and deforestation, aim sick mad about them! And seeing peoples on these forum sharing this passion is fulfilling for me, unfortunately there are peoples out there that simply shod not be allowed to keep animals, giant pythons are magnificent animals but I don’t need to see them at every corner, in fact only 1-2% of peoples shod keep them, those with true passion for them and willing to do what’s necessary for them. For years I was in my closet talking to nobody about my animals in fear to aggravate the situation about herpetoculture in this country, peoples don’t know this but aim directly the cause for the ownership ban of venomous and crocodilians in Quebec, I provided these animals to stupid peoples hoe took them out in public and created a commotion with them. One particular individual takes the cake, him alone took a 6 feet gator to a stripper club and tied his leash on a post outside, the police came the fire department came SPCA and news, believe it or nor the SPCA gave him the gator back saying it was in good health, then he retaliated when the news guy asked him for an interview, this idiot wanted to show of so bad, he made a back pack to hold the gator and drove his motorcycle all over Montréal for a photo session, no helmet no plat insurance or driver licence, again he made the morning news, he also lost a cobra in a 42 app building for elderly peoples ( apparently he separated and ask his mother to keep his snake), he called me only one month later to inform me. Unfortunately I witnessed many such horror stories, this why aim so concerned about safety and try to post good information.

[ReptiZone]

I would have worked on geting a regestration law pased insted of a ban all to gether but I am in no place to say what you did was wrong cause at the time of the disision making the government of quebec probebly wanted noting to do with puting money in towards such a pragram. So they went with the next best thing.

why do you raise crocodilians then do you sell at all to the public that shows resbonsability.

do you farm them for zoo's or for the worst reason farming them for the skin trade NOW there is somthing that should have ben banded decades ago.

I understand that by farming them you are preventing a decrease
in the wild but I would farm them so they can be returned but we cand quit do that cause it is to dangerous for the eco-system. any way just wanted to put some spice in that subject.

you are doing a great thing dont get me wrong I just feel that positev energy like that can be rerouted beter but I do understand with the laws and stuff like that it makes it hard to do any kind of progres.

[Steeve B]

I agree they could have voted for a permit system, but nobody opposed to the ban, eventually they will try this again with giant snakes and monitors, but nowadays peoples are better informed and will oppose to any such legislation, hopefully as many time such decision are financially motivated and peoples involved in these decisions have personal interest, guys like Grant are not common and definitely an example to follow, if I ever needed to fight any legislation I who’d most likely seek his advising.

As for crocodiles no I don’t sell them even if my life depended on it, not even to zoos, if I who’d breed for the pet tread I who’d only do the dwarf species.
Our objective is not to save the wild populations as much as it is to counter the smuggling of illegal trapped animals.

You have to know that animals in zoos no longer need to be bred, in fact many zoos routinely put down most of their offspring’s, tigers, lions you name it, they are saturated and most who’d not get involved in the long process of reintroduction.

If I could I who’d breed sea turtles and dolphins for reintroduction, this who’d be noble.

Long ago I met a woman, at first not so impressive kind of sad looking and easily irritated, I visited her fox breeding farm, 100s of cute little fox, and knowing these where not reintroduction animals, I looked at this silent woman with discus as I did not understand, these are here words (often when you really love animals you’re the one to suffer most) you see she devoted her life to foxes, and made a difference, I think of her every time I see a fox running in the fields.

Last aim not greedy, I never did anything for money, most peoples have an account man to make money, we have one to prevent us from going broke.
So when peoples ask me how many animals have you produced for this hubby, what deference or impacts are you making for CB reptiles.
None I think? But aim doing my best to see wild collected animals end up in the pet trade, as opposed of seeing them slathered for the fashion industries.
kind regards

[ReptiZone]

that is some realy cool stuff you do for the economy and I hope the laws will be overturned soon.

[Lisa]

Well I haven't dealt with retics or rocks, but taking a bite for the sake of the animal doesn't make sense to me. The animal can still lose teeth (one of our burms left 2 in me) and put you in the hospital... How is being stuck having to go to the hospital from a bite while handling the animal benifitial to the animal? You also end up not being able to handle the animal while you heal. While we don't have anything particularly large (our only adults are king snakes), I have noticed that when we have to put our hands on the bitey snakes they are less likely to bite when we're wearing gloves. If they don't bite they're not going to lose teeth. Sounds better for the snake if you ask me. Now I have noticed that the manual dexterity while wearing gloves is greatly impaired so once our hands are on the snake we usually drop the gloves or switch to latex. some times you need to handle the snake in a way that a hook just won't do.

[Bryce Masuk]

chrondo I think henry piorun breeds af rocks or atleast he seems to have C.B. rocks everyonce in a while they way i see it is rock are for the 1% of the 1% few should have them but they are amazing I personally wouldnt own them probley ever or at least for a long time i think any thing that can be done to protect the snake as well as your self should be done

[Scales Zoo]

Steeve.

I am never amazed at the interesting people I find out about living in all parts of Canada.

I'm glad you came out of your shell, there are so many people who are doing big things with reptiles, who keep all to themselves.

You are someone who I think a lot of the right people will be able to learn from.

I just wanted to ask one thing (advice).

Until very recently, we were housing a 22' male retic. He did not like people. He was very large, and seemed very strong for his size (haha) - actually - I had no idea that big snakes could be so strong. We had to wrestle the snake once, me, Sheila and my strongest friend - we all agreed that I needed 2 more stronger friends for the next time.

For this snake, I don't think your big gloves would have helped very much.

I trust our python hook for very many things, but the big retic could throw it at us with a twitch of his body.

The snake weighed over 200 lbs - what would you have done to move the snake?

While we had him, I had to deal with him (move for cage cleaning, or repairs) 6 times. I feel very fortunate that no one got hurt while this snake was with us - but if he would have stayed - I am not sure what we would have been able to do to keep this perfect track record.

Also Steeve. If you have any idea how to safely deal with our 6' + water monitor who is very fast and does not appear to be afraid of humans - please let us know. We have a 5' spectacled caimen who would also fit the same description. They both rate a 10 on the "evil" scale.

One should always be prepared to handle each and every animal in case of emergency. You have reminded me about that.

Ignoring the bits of un called for negativity in this thread - I think this has been one of the best threads I have read.

Looking forward to more good discussions like this one.

Ryan