Pittbull ban passed, quesiton for existing owners

[joey]

Originally posted by atw
Joey,

I agree that it is important to fix dogs. However, the issue is not whether it is 'a very responsible thing to do' because there are too many unwanted dogs: the issue is whether it is appropriate to be forced to do this to your animal because of a law based on hysteria that has the intent of eliminating a breed.

In this respect, I hope owners do not obey the fixing law if they are intent on breeding their animals because I do not think the breed should be eliminated.


Adam

I think it should be a law regardless of what breed one owns. If someone had a puppy that they had special plans for then they could get a license to do so. Maybe this would cut down on puppy-mills and abandoned females dumped with whole litters.

I'm not for the total anihilation of any breed and belive there are other solutions. Unfortunatley so many people have proven again and again that they are not willing to take responsibility to provide the correct care that their animal needs/deserves to survive.

[marisa]

"Attorney General Michael Bryant has said he's convinced pit bulls are inherently dangerous and pose too great a risk to public safety.

Bryant argued against opponents of the proposed legislation during a series of public hearings in early February.

He said there can be nothing more effective at stopping pit bull attacks than removing the dogs from society. "

Then I hope cigarettes will be banned as well, and it better be tomorrow. Because from his own mouth, nothing can be more effective at stopping something that simply removing it from society.....rising medical costs on the province, deaths and second hand smoke can all be stopped TOMORROW by removing cigarettes (and booze) from our society.

He is LITERALLY removing what has killed but doesn't make the goverment money, while IGNORING what kills 1000X more people on a yearly basis and costs the province MILLIONS and leaving it legal because they can let the taxes off them roll in! Again, how can ANYONE who is a citizen in this great country put up with this nut ball logic?

Sorry for going on and on guys. I am just really sad by this hypocrisy.

Marisa

[sleddergirl]

Great post Marisa, you hit the nail right on the head. I hate the fact that I am now living under a government that will go so far as to dictate what breed of dog I'm allowed to own. The floodgates have been opened and its only now a matter of time before more breeds get banned and the cigarettes stay.......

[loveispretend]

Originally posted by Shad0w
Hmmm

Here is another question,

Ive heard that people with large or so called dangerous dogs are having a VERY hard time getting home insurance... anyone experience this or have their insurance company cancel their policy because of a dog?

I didn't have a problem with insurance, but I did have a problem with the pet-deposit when moving.
When I told my landlord that I had four dogs, she told me the pet deposit would be $2800. That was more than a little insane, but after asking some questions about my dogs (2 purebreds and 2 mutts, one of which is half pit), she dropped it to $1000. After I'd lived here for close to a year, she admitted why... she requires $100 for most breeds, but if your dog is a rot, pit, dobie, or other 'dangerous' breed, she charges $700 each. Since she technically isn't supposed to ask/discriminate, she quotes at $700 a dog, and then looks like a hero dropping it down for 'safe' dogs.

[joey]

what about marijuana?--wasn't there a law passed where you could legally smoke the stuff?

Wonder what the undercurrent of the Pittbull issue is....why are they going after them? I know that the gov is not making money off them but what is the real issue here....

[JonD]

I still remember the good old days when dogs walked themselves, neighbors still knew who each other was and everyone looked out for each others dogs and children....gone are those days i guess.. Everyone is in a panic these days!

[Matt_K]

Originally posted by marisa
Who will decide on a individual case basis which dog looks too "offensive"

For everyone's sake, I sure as hell hope it's not Bryant. Anyone remember the video of him looking at the paper with all the different dogs?? He got that wrong, but obviously it's not the first thing he's been wrong about.

-Matt

[sleddergirl]

To the best of my knowledge, it will be your local animal control that decides. They will have a sitting board that you have to present your case to, if your dog gets accused of being pit. I dunno if that has changed or not, but thats what was on the news a few months ago.

Sue

[marisa]

"what about marijuana?--wasn't there a law passed where you could legally smoke the stuff? "

If your doctor prescribes it, and you then pass and get an excemption from the government, then yes you can smoke it. Everyday joe schmoe pothead cannot. Because being high and eating munchies can really be far worse than dying from lung cancer and costing the province millions per year. :|:|

When they figure out a way to properly ensure they are getting taxes off marijuana, and lots of them, it will be legal. As long as they make money, it doesn't matter how many die. If they don't have cash coming in from it, they'll ban anything to make a group of voters happy (regardless of how uninformed they are). Even if it kills 5 people or 5 million.

I am personally not sure what the *real* issue here is but when you compare Pit death numbers to other social dangers, it's obviously something. The media whipping people into uneducated fear frenzies doesn't help either.

Marisa

[JAdkins2451]

Originally posted by JonD
I still remember the good old days when dogs walked themselves, neighbors still knew who each other was and everyone looked out for each others dogs and children....gone are those days i guess.. Everyone is in a panic these days!

I remember growing up in a tight nit community, everybody knew everbody and there kids and dogs etc. But that eventully changed when people moved and what not. And I liked it it was like having family living all around you and nothin bad ever happened.

And for the reason for everyone being in a panic is the goverment and media, they why they have been portraying these dogs. Which is B.S.

Jamie

[joey]

I know that in Detroit, Michigan there is a law requiring ALL pits picked up by the humane society are destroyed. You wouldn't believe how many raids there are in this city (daily) where people keep them strictly to fight. It's against the law to even be walking a pit down the street if you are under 18 and they will take the dog from you right on the spot. It's terribly sad for the animals.

Sounds like this Bryant guy really has a hatred for dogs. I'm sorry guys.

[mykee]

I'm having chicken schnitzel for dinner. Should be good, I'll keep you all updated...

[Raindog]

It's a damn good thing I don't live in Canada.

"The ban applies to the pit bull terrier, Staffordshire bull terrier, American Staffordshire terrier, American pit bull terrier or dogs that are very similar in appearance and physical characteristics."

That is stupid in itself but how far will they take it? I feel quite sure they would include my favorite breed, the bull terrier. Very similar in appearance or characteristics, gimme a break.

This bill is nothing more than public ignorance made law and the wholesale extermination of many noble breeds so that idiots can feel safe while they shove cheeseburgers down their throats and drop dead from heart disease or drive their cars into crowded thoroughways while chatting up the wifey on their fancy cell phones about how little bobby shoved a marble up his nose.

I'm disgusted by this, can you tell?

[havenbounce]

Bill 132 still has not been passed. There's one more thing it has to go through before it becomes law. It has to have Royal Assent
by the Lieutenant Governor.So what you can do is write him. Here's a prewritten letter. Please write!!!!
http://groups.msn.com/TheDogDen/advo...09968403292406

The Hon. James K. Bartleman

Lieutenant Governor of Ontario

Queen's Park

Toronto ON M7A 1A1



Your Honour,



I respectfully ask that you do not provide royal assent for Bill 132. Very clearly, this bill does not have the support of the major stakeholders nor does it have the support of the majority of the citizens of Ontario. In blatant disregard of the public hearings and the sizeable evidence presented against breed specific legislation, the Liberal Party has chosen to ignore the will of the people. The bill itself, and the Liberals' actions, are a slap in the face of democracy. In short, what we have is an unparalleled perversion of power. It is within your power to halt this atrocity and I respectfully urge you to do so.



Sincerely,

[SnowSnake]

I'm totally against the ban and I have a question for you guys:

The government passed the law to have every pit bull neutered or spayed, will the government pay for this since they made the law?