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[Steeve B]

Thanks for your post but every thing you mention is what we use to do back in the 80s, we now have considerably improved in regards to handling techniques.
I have read all your post on this tread, and I think you don’t have any or little Seba and Suluweisi experience, otherwise you who’d know large aggressive adult are back up and lounge artist, and no mater how many hooks you have there not going in the trash can, especially a few hours after egg deposition, I think you missed my point entirely, maybe you focused on my gloves too much lol. I truly hope you and others have learned something with this tread, I know I did.
Aim very impressed by the civility of discussion on this forum, way to go guys.
Kind regards

[Snake Lady]

okay...first of all i think chondro gave some good tips on handling a rock pythons and suluweisi..

however I operate a snakes farm, not a pet shop or a zoo

Well id think that since you run a '' Snake Farm'', and not a "pet store or zoo" (like you said).. Why would you ask now for peoples advice..shouldnt you know how to handle these animals before you even start running a business such as this??..so nothing gets out of hand? You also say that your staff is trained..may i ask by who they are trained? cause if its by you and you dont know what your doing..then how do you expect them to know?? hehe

but anyways..At christmas i went with him(chondro) to a zoo in NB and his friend(the zoo keeper) had just received a rock python from the SPCA saying it was vicious and everything..he asked chondro to take a look at it and within two hours we took the pic with him that he has in his gallery.

http://www.ssnakess.com/photopost/sh...=1&ppuser=1410

I went to that zoo and there are all kinds of species there. There are retics and rock pythons and everything and chondro is the one who handled everything and were just talking snakes but he handled the monitors and the crocodillians. Anyways, all the time i was there and when i go to other well known pet stores in montreal..they all handled them the same way as he described..maybe they are all stuck in the 80's but it seems like a pretty good way to me! ( to this day i still havent seen him get bitten and hes handled some pretty nasty things!)

Well overall i find it kinda ODD that you ask for help (peoples opinions) when you seem to tell yourself and everybody that you know whats going on these days with all the handling methods..since we havent quite evolved..is that it?

Thats the message i got throughout your post so..just thought id add my opinion. Plus chondro is the one of the only ones who took the time to actually explain all the way through so id think youd appreciate it somewhat.

P.S. African Rock Python = Python Sebae not Python Seba

If thats the little rock python that you guys are having soo much problems with..then your in for a rough ride!!

Snake Lady

[V.hb]

Why would you ask now for peoples advice..shouldnt you know how to handle these animals before you even start running a business such as this?
You also say that your staff is trained..may i ask by who they are trained?

I Dont know why i continue to read your posts as they are just garble in defence of your boyfriend. But obviously Steeve is trying to better his own knowledge, and compare it with others. That is the WHOLE point of this thread!!! Also, too help others.
As far as who trains his staff, who the hell are you to say that? Have you seen his animals? Obviously he knows what he's talking about. I personally use almost every method steeve has explained he uses. As I find they are the best methods, does this make me uneducated too?

cause if its by you and you dont know what your doing.
chondro is the one who handled everything and were just talking snakes but he handled the monitors and the crocodillians. Anyways, all the time i was there and when i go to other well known pet stores in montreal.

Well cudos to "chondro" Just a question, is he paying you too post this or what? you're his girlfriend! do you have any idea how stupid your constant "run to chondros defence" posts look? I can supply links too other posts he's made and got into arguements that you've had to dig him out of. Can he not explain things on his own? or must you come and insult others to make yourselves look better?? Myself, and my girlfriend have both been dealing with many of the reptiles in question, So in that case, does that make us experts like chondro? (if thats what you think of him) I personally love learning, and find Steeves threads the best way to do so.

P.S. African Rock Python = Python Sebae not Python Seba

Very mature, when in doubt lets point out spelling errors! Obviously steeve knows what a rock python is.

Its a shame a thread like this has gone this low.

[Zoe]

I found this thread very interesting to say the least (despite some posts which weren't the easiest to read :P)

I definitely agree with the gloves... If I were working with anything that could really hurt me I'd take every precaution possible (heck, I use a stick when my 5ft CRB is cranky ). And I don't believe that bacteria could be transmitted provided the gloves are kept clean, which I presume they are, if Steeve runs such a large operation.

And while I agree with Steeve, I am unsure why he would create such a post. Whether he's correct or not, I don't understand why he would post asking for others' opinions, then contradict them all.

V. hb, I thought a lot of that post was a little uncalled for... If she wants to defend her BF let her, maybe she shares his opinions. I don't think it warrants calling her stupid and swearing at her, and being sarcastic.

Anyway, some very good tips and tricks were posted here, and I will bookmark this post as very important!

Thanks
Zoe

[V.hb]

Zoe, Iam not going to argue with you. Where did I swear? Sarcasm yes. But it was called for, hes had a few threads come too a stupid end like this now, and has annoyed quite a few other members by just "bashing" their techniques as his are the best going. Sure, they probably work for him, however why is it justified to tell Steeve he has no idea what he's talking about? and he shouldnt be dealing with these animals? That's sarcastic, insulting and plain stupid.

I'am just reinforcing facts, nothing more.
Thanks for your input.

[Zoe]

I don't wish to argue either, I just don't think that was called for. It's one thing posting a stupid post, people just get disinterested in hearing from certain people eventually, but it's another to flame that post, which can do nothing but make things worse.

As far as who trains his staff, who the hell are you to say that?

Yes, I've noticed Steeve's posts often end in controversy. To be expected, I supposed, some people are just so stubborn when it comes to their methods, which is unforunate. Being stubborn and ignorant helps no one and hurts only the reptiles.

Hopefully people will learn to be much more open minded, and to be civil when they disagree.

Zoe

[V.hb]

Agreed, so understand why I posted the way I did.

[Zoe]

Oh yes, I DEFINITELY understand! I'm sure most of us have had to make an effort to hold our tongues and not point out frustrating things other people do.

:]
Zoe

[ReptiZone]

Well looks like snake lady is not the preffered person on this thread now lets get one thing strait I dont pay nobody anything to stand up for me and I don't expect every one to agree with what i say.

now Snake lady has ben in this hoby for 5 1/2 monts now and she has alot to learn but she admiers me not because she is my G/F but because I thaught her a bunch off stuff about this hobby animal names, latin names basic care and so on. Any way she has absorbed a lot in just a short amount of time she has learned more in 5 1/2 then most ppl would learn in a year all this to say she works with what she know and with what she see's.

she has seen me handel some of the most nervous animals you could imagine and walk away scrach free (not to say I have never ben biten or clawed) man I was biten by monitors, crocodilians
snakes galore B4 I could say I can handel anything with no problems. But it seams that every time I make that declaration somthing turnes bites me so now I just shut up. And deal with each animal as they come.

Now I can take what I dish out and I can dish out a lot of offencive stuff but never have I had to swear at some one to get my point a cross.

V.hb you say you can dish out a bunch of threads that I have goten into arguments, where my G/F had to bail me out .

I can supply links too other posts he's made and got into arguements that you've had to dig him out of.

suply all the links you want you might want to open up a new thread to fit them all in caus there is soooooooo many ( not my sarcasim.

P.S. African Rock Python = Python Sebae not Python Seba

By snakel ady

Very mature, when in doubt lets point out spelling errors! Obviously steeve knows what a rock python is.

By V.hb

We routinely handle 20 adult sebas

By steeve B

Retics and sebas are not the easiest snakes to handle with hooks

By steeve B

may I ask if any of you guys even keep suluwesi retics and Seba

By steeve B

pleas tell me a better way to handle full grown and medium sebas, obviously you have the experience show me!

By steeve B

He asked me to post somthing and yet presived to say I was stuck in the 80's.

I don’t think comparing any of my sebas to other snake

By steeve B

If you really think what your telling me is good then show me! Aim not asking about the crocs or anything just Seba, to me they are my only concern

By steeve B

that was 2 in the same thread. He wanted me to show him that is exactly what I did.

I have read all your post on this tread, and I think you don’t have any or little Seba and Suluweisi experience

Now dont get me wrong I make spelling mistakes all the time like you wouyld need a calculater just to count the mistakes in this post but to mis spell the rock python's latin name wrong throughout the whole thread is not a mistake it is a lack knowlege yes any body can say all the names but sit down and start wrighting them and you will get a head ach. And my G/f was trying to be informative but since her post was rather rash it came out in all the wrong ways.

V.hb I took the liberty to check your profile and it seems that you are born in 1981 and I was born in 1983 you can probebly see where I am going with this you see I realy dont know what kind of animals you have and how you care for them but you see you are only 2 years older then me and I can safely say that I have acomplished more in this hobby then you could imagine I was 10 and all I was doing is reading up on snakes and reptiles in general then when I was 17 i got my first snake at 17 I had my first burm at 19 I was the curator of a zoo dedicated to reptiles only dealing with meds and health reports not to forget record shets of animals you would only dream of seeing I was lucky enuf to share space with a cuben crocodile. and hand feed larg caimens and alligators so B4 you come and say I am a nobody and dont know what i am talking about think again I was put in situation where you would probebly piss your self in.

I warnd you if you trashed me or my G/f in any way I would expose you any way I checked out all 34 of your post witch are for the most part great reeding not alot of information posts but you have a clue about what YOU keep but it so hapends to be that 75% of them are all about varanids witch is cool to me I love monitors too but the only time you make your way into the giant python discutions is to bash me or to put my G/F down witch leads me to belive that you dont know $hit about what I work with or even where to start with routine moving of a gient snake of any sort safely.

Now Steeve B I am sorry my G/F attacked you like that I had no idea that she fealt that way about your post until I opend the computer and by then the damage was done.

My oppinions and my G/F 's are the same about this subject if you can not handel it with out gloves then leave it in the forest and dont even think about breeding it on a snake farm

As my own oppinion Snake Lady said it best if that is the sebae that is giving you a hard time quit will you are a head B4 some one dies in the future.

Giant constrictors are not monitors they are worse they eat monitors for a joke they will take you down and out and not think twise about it.

[Steeve B]

Pleas calm down guys, there’s really nothing to get upset about, first let me say I never asked for advice! And I sure never said I don’t know what aim doing,
If you go back to my post, I asked about your tricks hopping to improve my methods, this I can guaranty all of you theirs always room for improvement no mater how experienced you are. I also thanked condro for his time and effort, as I said I appreciate all of it, never the less I still don’t think he’s got extensive experience with these snakes, theirs no need to be sarcastic or defensive over this, as I am not aggressing any of you guys, all I say is what I think. Pleas read my post again before you reply you’re missing my point.



(You AND your PARTENER (who should be with in arms reach at all times)

Very good point and they are always 3 or 4 guys within reach.

(---there are snake hooks made for larg pythons (retic's, burm's rock's and scrubs).

forget this with any seba over 15 feet, you will loos control at one time or an other, your last resort will be to grasp it, and this we don’t want, having an angry snake not used to handling.

(---and there is a trash can made by Rubermaid that can be locked at the top (a larg snake bag will work to if you are more comfertable with that).

A better and safer way is to use a transit box especially made for fast take out action; you will learn the value of this once you’ve experience fire. A box for every animal is mandatory.

( A constant link of comunication must be open.)

Best advice you have given me! Really I keep saying this to my guys.

(Take your broom handel or just the back end of the hook and lay it gently in the back of the neck to pin the snakes head in place. Make shour your patner is ready to take control of the body or else you will have a fight on your hands that you can not win on your own.)

I can’t even think of pining down an adult, sure a 20+ foot burm no problem even a retic, 2 guys no problem! But these python no way. This is why we routinely handle them so they become more predictable, but try to restrain them or worst pin them down, and say by by to your efforts.
I think every thing you said applies mostly to burms and some retics, but not necessarily to big scrubs sebas makasar and Suluweisi, you may do very well with an occasional specimen, and most keepers may be willing to wait for there captive to cooperate with them, unfortunately we don’t, when its cleaning time its cleaning time for many, so out to a clean cage no fuss!
On a final note, I who’d like anyone hoe has experienced restraining an angry big seba to share there experience with us.

[Steeve B]

Condro aim not angry at you nor your girlfriend, I do think you have lots of experience with reptiles.
Pleas remember these are only words on paper and sometime they are not put out or interpreted the way they where meant to, now aim not going to blame my pour English.
But understand I am French and it doesn’t help me in these situations, so I ask you to be patient with me. Kind regard to both of you

[Zoe]

On a lighter note, I don't really think it's anyone's place to be pointing out spelling errors! I hate to ask this but is it possible to please, please spell at least decently and to PUNCTUATE? It was really hard to read some of these posts.

Steeve, I doubt you'll find many people here who have handled big, angry rock pythons!

Zoe

Oh, that wasn't aimed at you Steeve. You write very intelligently and the message gets through quite well.

[ReptiZone]

no That is cool steeve B if ever you want to PM me in french

Je suis parfaitement bilingue! hehehe

I understand french 100% and any one can slip up on a latin name I only pointed it out cause V.hb acted like it was the first time you mis spelt it and my G/F jumped on you for it she could have picked a beter time to corect you on it but she diden't

[Steeve B]

Something most peoples don’t know about me, I keep monitors as a hubby and only as such, I earn a living producing snakes and crocodilians.
Thanks for the nice comments.

[Steeve B]

Vic they are very VERY very strong! more so then a few man's
did you see steve irwin when he tryed to handle a 7feet seba, he said forget it aim not hanling this one, imagine a big one.