Boas are in the ban crosshairs - Page 2

Skumbo · 02-28-12, 04:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Gungirl

I understand how important this is to most of us but do you really need to create a new thread every day about the bans? why not keep posting in 1 thread?

They'll come for our guns next *sigh*

It is "annoying" but i didn't notice till his third thread, to be honest to you. It might be for the better.

**lady_bug87** · 02-28-12, 04:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Gungirl

I understand how important this is to most of us but do you really need to create a new thread every day about the bans? why not keep posting in 1 thread?

It's true really I'm hoping Wayne combines them and this doesn't turn into the mudslinging crapfest it was last time

exwizard · 02-28-12, 04:22 PM

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Originally Posted by lady_bug87

It's true really I'm hoping this doesn't turn into the mudslinging crapfest it was last time

If it does, I will avoid it like the plague. Thats a promise.

**lady_bug87** · 02-28-12, 04:30 PM

Good call lol

**millertime89** · 02-28-12, 04:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Gungirl

I understand how important this is to most of us but do you really need to create a new thread every day about the bans? why not keep posting in 1 thread?

how many people actually check the other sections? The more people that are aware of what's going on the better. If this thread is combined with the others this forum is lost and I'll leave for good. The attitudes some people take towards this is infuriating. I've seen it on BP facebook groups and their attitude is "well this doesn't affect me, so why should I care?"
I'll tell you why, what happens when it DOES affect you? You can be sure those of us that this does affect are going to be right there fighting for your rights despite the fact that you (not directed at anyone here in particular) didn't help fight for ours.

Lankyrob · 02-28-12, 04:38 PM

Everytime any thread is updated it appears o the new posts screen, we dont need constant barrages of new threads at all.

Gungirl · 02-28-12, 05:24 PM

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Originally Posted by millertime89

how many people actually check the other sections? The more people that are aware of what's going on the better. If this thread is combined with the others this forum is lost and I'll leave for good. The attitudes some people take towards this is infuriating. I've seen it on BP facebook groups and their attitude is "well this doesn't affect me, so why should I care?"
I'll tell you why, what happens when it DOES affect you? You can be sure those of us that this does affect are going to be right there fighting for your rights despite the fact that you (not directed at anyone here in particular) didn't help fight for ours.

Ok.. don't get your panties in a twist. I get it, I agree with fighting this. I also think that by posting a ton of threads on it you are going to start annoying the crap out of people. If someone doesn't care about then having 10 threads on it will make them care less not more. 1 thread is enough IMO. That is all I was stating.

Shmoges · 02-28-12, 05:51 PM

Something as important as this should have a sticky in each forum that is linked to one thread. Miller made me feel a bit embarrassed and I have to change the way I look at these bans. At first I thought oh well I don't have any inclination to keep big snakes at all so it doesn't affect me but who will be there for me when it does affect me. I need to support my brothers and sisters who do keep these animals and not say the stereotypical response "Good thing there banning them, to many idiots have big snakes and don't take care of them" This whole thing is analogous to Nazi Germany and the persecution of Jews. Control control control!!

I am sure having bills pass with your name on them make you look successful as a politician. Perhaps this is an easy area for them to attack?

KORBIN5895 · 02-28-12, 06:08 PM

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Originally Posted by lady_bug87

It's true really I'm hoping Wayne combines them and this doesn't turn into the mudslinging crapfest it was last time

I actually kinda hope it does turn into a crapfest. I missed out on the last one.

As for calling and opposing the ban are people giving any helpful ways to handle these problems or are we just saying "don't touch our snakes!" Personally I think these bans are rediculous but ignorant politicians are feeding ignorant people. Let's educate and propose alternative solutions.

Also I fail to see the correlation between U.S. snake bans and Nazi Germany. I will check with my Jewish grandmother and get back to you on that.

Shmoges · 02-28-12, 06:26 PM

I am loosly referencing this poem I heard about Nazi's uhhhgg it went like this "They came and took our something, but I did not have any something. Then they came and took our something else, but I did not have that either. Then they came and took our uhhhg and there was no one left to help me. I read it in school and feel terrible that I can't remember it I think it was came and took our men but I was not married then came and took our children but I had non then they came for me and I was all alone...

The idea it implied was banding together with strength in numbers. Sorry I butchered it :P

**lady_bug87** · 02-28-12, 06:37 PM

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Originally Posted by KORBIN5895

I actually kinda hope it does turn into a crapfest. I missed out on the last one.

As for calling and opposing the ban are people giving any helpful ways to handle these problems or are we just saying "don't touch our snakes!" Personally I think these bans are rediculous but ignorant politicians are feeding ignorant people. Let's educate and propose alternative solutions.

Also I fail to see the correlation between U.S. snake bans and Nazi Germany. I will check with my Jewish grandmother and get back to you on that.

Trust me it was bad...

**millertime89** · 02-28-12, 07:04 PM

Here's the poem that shmoges was referencing, and it was adapted for this fight already.

First they came for the communists, and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a communist.
Then they came for the trade unionists, and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a trade unionist.
Then they came for the Jews, and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a Jew.
Then they came for me, and there was no one left to speak out for me.

Here's the edited version.
First they came for the Burms, and I didn't speak out because I didn't own a Burm.
Then they came for the Retics, and I didn't speak out because I didn't own a Retic.
Then they came for the Boas, and I didn't speak out because I didn't own a Boa.
Then they came for my snakes, and there was no one left to speak out for me.

You can change that to suit really any animals, I've seen it go: Snakes, lizards, arachnids, pets, and other variations.

I seldom use the "New posts" function, I just check the sections that interest me. I don't particularly care to go through the colubrid, blood, BP, and lizard (except monitor) sections. I'm sure I'm not the only one.

Korbin, I'm not sure what people are saying exactly, I know when I called I explained the bad science behind the study and how the addition to the list will negatively punish the people who are trying to do the right thing by keeping their animals instead of releasing them into the wild.

**lady_bug87** · 02-28-12, 09:43 PM

I've been respectful. Up until now I have held my tongue that's over. my personal feelings of the actual ban aside, this is a comment to what I feel is a gross confusion of the differences between human rights and human privileges.

You are actually comparing human rights and workers' rights to not being able to move your snakes. Pet ownership is a privilege not a right. if your state decides to attempt to change the parameters of those privileges you have the right to contest it but don't sit here and compare it to when the SS came for the Jews. I'm pretty sure those affected by the horrors of Anti-semitism would disagree.

There are people in your country and in mine who are starving, who can't afford healthcare, who live on the street and you're kicking up dust because you can't move with your damn snake? That is selfish. How hard are you fighting for equal rights? How many petitions are you signing to improve the education system in a country where your education system is failing? How many governors are you calling in regards to providing affordable care for the sick and elderly?

You call people lazy because they don't want to fight for a privilege. Yet how many people are too lazy to fight for rights like food, affordable housing and healthcare, equal treatment and all the other crap that everyday people have to face?

To answer the question about what I would do if they came for my collection I would do my best to keep what I could, get permits for the rest if I can't then i guess I would figure it out.

I'm not saying don't be passionate about this hobby I'm passionate too but I find it disgraceful to compare these new legislations to genocide.

You can reply and bash me and hate on me for what I said, I really don't care because to be honest I found that really offensive. I stayed out of he bashing before this and I intend to after this.

If other members feel that this legislation is comparable to fighting for workers rights, equal treatment, and Anti-semitism then this forum is not where I belong.

Skumbo · 02-28-12, 09:56 PM

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Originally Posted by lady_bug87

*edited out so it isnt a huge quote*

I completely agree with you. We recently had to fight an all-encompassing ban on "hand rolled cigars" on a cigar forum, everyone was all up in arms etc etc "THEY'RE TAKING OUR FREEDOMS" and yeah, it'd suck to not be able to buy any cigars, and it would put hundreds of thousands of people out of jobs (domestic and foreign)

The way im looking at it though, isnt from a "i like having snakes" standpoint, but look at it from somebody who did everything they were supposed to in america...

They worked hard, spent a lot of time and money and sweat to establish a breeding business, turned down other career opportunities, etc etc because they wanted to breed snakes and selling them is how they make their living. Now put a huge ban on snakes which could lead to further bans on more snakes, and thats not taking away that persons "privilege" to sell snakes, but taking away their livelihood and the last thing this country needs is more jobless people. THAT is the huge argument that much be put forward, not "ITS OUR RIGHT TO HAVE SNAKES!" but "The hundreds if not thousands of individuals who support their families through breeding snakes legally will lose their livelihood and be stuck with TONS of money worth of snakes and sustaining current snakes with no way to sell or breed or get rid of them. they will be stuck paying for tons of money in sustaining all these breeding snakes and no way to make money back, it will bankrupt many individuals and displace (put into the wild) many snakes that would otherwise stay in breeding facilities, homes, etc. THE BAN IN THIS WAY WOULD IN FACT CAUSE MORE SNAKES TO BE PUT INTO THE WILD (and die cause this ban is stupid and none of the snakes will survive most of the United States weather but thats another argument entirely)

now do you see how it would really be taking away individuals rights to not go way into debt because of a stupid law (worse than losing a job, but being stuck with hundreds or even thousands of snakes which cost $$$$ to keep alive) it's like saying you have to keep paying all your employees but you cant open for business anymore.

**lady_bug87** · 02-28-12, 10:01 PM

^^^ agreed and I completely know where that is coming from what I don't like is when it's compared to stuff like the Genocide the Jews faced. The breeders loosing business IS a real problem. However calling keepers 'lazy' is inappropriate in my opinion when there are other fights out there with bigger and worse circumstances.

I hope it works out for everyone. I just don't want it confused with a human right considering when the auto market crashed I didn't hear of people rushing to call senators... That affected thousands too.