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02-20-12, 10:20 AM
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Re: Genetic thinking, and breeding help.
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Originally Posted by KORBIN5895
Considering the male is fifty percent het pied and obviously not proven I would label them as any percentage of het pied. That's just asking for trouble.
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you mean wouldn't? Even if the male is unproven that does not mena he is not het pied so then the babies could be het pied.
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02-20-12, 10:51 AM
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Re: Genetic thinking, and breeding help.
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Originally Posted by beardeds4life
you mean wouldn't? Even if the male is unproven that does not mena he is not het pied so then the babies could be het pied.
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Yeah I meant to say would not.
So you feel it ethical to say they are 50% het pied when you don't even know the male is?
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02-20-12, 10:54 AM
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Re: Genetic thinking, and breeding help.
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Originally Posted by DeEuGi
I'm getting a her pied female to breed him to too... but I might also get a her pied male, they are cheap so I will have a set of her albinos, and a set of her pied.... this way I don't have to take into account for the %50 Ph poet male...
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Guaranteed hets only pass their het gene to half of the babies so you will still produce a percentage that are het. What exactly are the genetics you are looking at?
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02-20-12, 11:19 AM
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Formerly Lil_Boa
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Re: Genetic thinking, and breeding help.
i am getting a male and female 100% het pieds...
when i breed my het albinos together, i probably wont even mention the male as 50% ph pied, unless he ends up proving out for me
as for the 2 het pied im getting, your saying all the babies wont have the het gene in them? only 1/2?...
this is getting confusing
so het M and het F have say 4 babies... (ill use albino for this example)
1/4 normal
2/4het albino
1/4 albino...
that was taken right off of world of ball pythons...
now is there any way for them to have say... all 4 babies albino (or whatever the het gene is?) is there any way to have all normals? how can i tell normals from hets?
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02-20-12, 11:45 AM
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Re: Genetic thinking, and breeding help.
1/4 normal
2/4 Het.
1/4 Pied or albino (which ever you are working with is correct)
however you better know what the markers are to tell Het. from normal.
and yes mother nature can give all of any one of those 3.
shes a pain sometimes.
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02-20-12, 12:01 PM
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Formerly Lil_Boa
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Re: Genetic thinking, and breeding help.
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Originally Posted by Maclyal
1/4 normal
2/4 Het.
1/4 Pied or albino (which ever you are working with is correct)
however you better know what the markers are to tell Het. from normal.
and yes mother nature can give all of any one of those 3.
shes a pain sometimes.
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Thanks, that clears everything up...
now.. another one for ya...
i read a normal clutch is 5-7 eggs (could be wrong, it was off a google site..)
so theroetically what if i get 7 eggs,... then its obviously not as easy as 1/4,1/4,2/4 ... would i just wait and see what i got, and look for markers to determin what the hets are?
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02-20-12, 01:54 PM
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Re: Genetic thinking, and breeding help.
no matter what you breed togather, it could be a crap shoot.
I have heard of people breeding 2 full blooded Axanthics to one another
& ending up with a clutch of nothing but normals.
so as I said, Mother natures sense of humor can bite the big one.
I always just wait & see what I get & as long as they are all
healthy, I consider it a good clutch.
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02-20-12, 02:05 PM
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Formerly Lil_Boa
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Re: Genetic thinking, and breeding help.
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Originally Posted by Maclyal
no matter what you breed togather, it could be a crap shoot.
I have heard of people breeding 2 full blooded Axanthics to one another
& ending up with a clutch of nothing but normals.
so as I said, Mother natures sense of humor can bite the big one.
I always just wait & see what I get & as long as they are all
healthy, I consider it a good clutch.
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yea, healthy will trump albinos/pieds any day..
we will just see, ill get a few snakes and get them to size for now, any other questsions i will be posting though, so probably in 20 min. LOL
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02-20-12, 08:38 PM
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Re: Genetic thinking, and breeding help.
it is always better to buy hatchlings and raise them yourself for breeding than to try and buy adult snakes and take a shortcut cause you dont know the history of the snake you are buying, you cant tell hets from normals thats why even if you have 2 hets and two normals you don't know which are which until they are proven out any offspring that arent the homozygnous form of the morph (visual albino for example) will be 66% hets from a 100% to 100% het pairings
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02-20-12, 08:47 PM
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Re: Genetic thinking, and breeding help.
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Originally Posted by Maclyal
no matter what you breed togather, it could be a crap shoot.
I have heard of people breeding 2 full blooded Axanthics to one another
& ending up with a clutch of nothing but normals...
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Did one or both of these snakes prove out to produce axanthics in later clutches?If not then they were never axanthics, just really washed out normals, which is what adult axanthics look like. Honestly, 2 axanthics will only produce axanthics, no way to get a normal unless they were hets.
To the OP. Just buy pieds...or include an actual pied in your breedings with any het as then at the very least you know ALL the babies will be 100% het. You seem very confused by genetics and this way ensures that you won't be selling anything for what it isn't.
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02-20-12, 10:49 PM
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Re: Genetic thinking, and breeding help.
[quote=Aaron_S;689759]Did one or both of these snakes prove out to produce axanthics in later clutches?If not then they were never axanthics, just really washed out normals, which is what adult axanthics look like. Honestly, 2 axanthics will only produce axanthics, no way to get a normal unless they were hets.
yes they did prove out with other partners.
and yes it is possible to get nothing but normals.
just another of mother natures jokes on us.
these belong to a big reputable long time breeder here in colorado,
so it's not a case of a rooky or someone who doesn't know what they are doing.
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02-24-12, 10:48 AM
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Formerly Lil_Boa
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Re: Genetic thinking, and breeding help.
Okay, so over the last few days, i have been living on world of bp's... i found out that just some base morphs can produce some cool babies.. for example pastels can be used for alot of interesting morphs...
super pastels, pewter, pastave, black pewter, bumble bee, and lesser pastel.. those are JUST the ones i am looking at. since pastels are such a versitale morph, should i get a say, 2 males, so i can breed them to all females? and get all other morphs females, so:
2.0.0 pastel
0.1.0 cinnamon, spider, mojave, pastel, lesser, spider?
or should i mix it up better??
these will be seperate from my albino/pied stuff i just got, those are going to be for me.. (unless i get super lucky and get something like albino pied or something, then ill prolly sell)
basicly... what ration of boy girl should i have? im not worried about needing to get say... 14 snakes, so sould i do 7.7, 2.12 or what???
also, all or world of ball pythons do everything out of 4.. (1/4.1/4.1/4.1/4 ect...) what if i have a clutch of... 5 eggs? then how would my precentages work?
thanks again guys for all help!!
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02-24-12, 11:09 AM
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Re: Genetic thinking, and breeding help.
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Originally Posted by DeEuGi
also, all or world of ball pythons do everything out of 4.. (1/4.1/4.1/4.1/4 ect...) what if i have a clutch of... 5 eggs? then how would my precentages work?
thanks again guys for all help!!
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then it would just be 1/4 of 5.
0.25 x 5 = 1.25
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02-24-12, 11:41 AM
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Re: Genetic thinking, and breeding help.
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02-24-12, 12:29 PM
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Formerly Lil_Boa
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Re: Genetic thinking, and breeding help.
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Originally Posted by youngster
then it would just be 1/4 of 5.
0.25 x 5 = 1.25
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i see. that makes sense.
as to the videos, i will watch them, i understand the punnett squares. and i am getting this whole thing down slowly.
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