Newbie Breeders!l in search of some assistance - Page 2

**millertime89** · 10-22-11, 09:32 PM

I like this one too, you won't get a BRB here but the percentages will be the same
TraxxTec - Genetic Calculator

**millertime89** · 10-22-11, 09:36 PM

SO
high red x pearl = 100% het high red het pearl
breed a het high red and a het pearl and you'll get approximately:
1/16 normal
1/8 het HR
1/8 het pearl
1/4 het pearl het HR
1/16 pearl
1/8 pearl het HR
1/16 HR
1/8 HR het pearl
1/16 pearl HR

**millertime89** · 10-22-11, 09:38 PM

I'm still learning genetics, but I get the basics. Don't ask me what two morphs will look like when crossed though, I'm not sure what various morphs when stacked together will look like.

stephanbakir · 10-22-11, 09:42 PM

If all you want is an albino, its more or less bettet to just buy one, the cost might be a bit more, but when you think of potential vet visits, food, water, time, heating for 2 snakes vs 1... it starts to add up quickly.

**millertime89** · 10-22-11, 09:43 PM

plus the cost of breeding and the stress keeping and raising babies

Strutter769 · 10-22-11, 10:12 PM

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Originally Posted by millertime89

visual x visual will result in both visuals and non visuals, but those non visuals are hets, and when bred to a visual will produced visuals and hets, but when bred to another het will produced non-visuals (both hets and normals) and visuals
the double the price thing was just an examble, it varies from snake to snake.
You're talking BRBs right? I'm not sure what genes produce what in BRBs. But a Pearl x high red will be all het high red het pearl, with no visuals. breed the kids back to the parents and you'll get varrying amounts of pearls and high reds.
As far as numbers, you can predict.
A het pearl to a pearl will produce 50% pearls and 50% het pearls (roughly)

BRB's yes. Sorry, should've clarified. We will be producing BP's also. Speaking of that, where can I get a list of names of all BP morphs, and how they are achieved? (e.g. A x Y = Z)

**lady_bug87** · 10-22-11, 10:44 PM

Genetic Wizard 3.0 - World of Ball Pythons

Nismo89 · 10-22-11, 11:04 PM

You want to be careful with BRB "morphs" because there really aren't that many proven ones out there. Just because a specific snake has really nice bulls eyes or pearls or a really nice bright orange doesn't necessarily mean it will produce that because they aren't really proven morphs yet. I know Cliff has a lot more info on this subject and he's actually posted a few time in the rainbow part stating the proven morphs.

Edit: check this thread out for some morph discussion for BRB http://www.ssnakess.com/forums/epicr...inbow-boa.html

Strutter769 · 10-22-11, 11:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by millertime89

SO
high red x pearl = 100% het high red het pearl
breed a het high red and a het pearl and you'll get approximately:
1/16 normal
1/8 het HR
1/8 het pearl
1/4 het pearl het HR
1/16 pearl
1/8 pearl het HR
1/16 HR
1/8 HR het pearl
1/16 pearl HR

Oh WOW, lots to digest there. My partner minored in Genetics, which is great for me. But it almost makes sense to me in this format. Almost! Lol Thanks Kyle!

Strutter769 · 10-22-11, 11:13 PM

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Originally Posted by lady_bug87

Genetic Wizard 3.0 - World of Ball Pythons

Perfect! Thank you!

Strutter769 · 10-22-11, 11:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nismo89

You want to be careful with BRB "morphs" because there really aren't that many proven ones out there. Just because a specific snake has really nice bulls eyes or pearls or a really nice bright orange doesn't necessarily mean it will produce that because they aren't really proven morphs yet. I know Cliff has a lot more info on this subject and he's actually posted a few time in the rainbow part stating the proven morphs.

Edit: check this thread out for some morph discussion for BRB http://www.ssnakess.com/forums/epicr...inbow-boa.html

I'm familiar with that thread, thanks for pointing it out though. So, although "High Red" isn't yet proven (I'll work more on understanding that, maybe tomorrow. Lol) or High White Sides (That's gonna be my contribution to the morphs world! Lol), shouldn't at least some of the offspring display some of those traits in almost each litter? Is that too much to ask?!

Strutter769 · 10-22-11, 11:22 PM

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Originally Posted by stephanbakir

If all you want is an albino, its more or less bettet to just buy one, the cost might be a bit more, but when you think of potential vet visits, food, water, time, heating for 2 snakes vs 1... it starts to add up quickly.

Albino anything really isn't my favorite. I'd love to continue Bryan Hummel's idea of bringing color to hypos, etc. That sounds amazing!

Nismo89 · 10-22-11, 11:25 PM

I believe yes you should at least get a few but its not a for sure thing but really nothing is for sure when getting into morphs its all a chance of you could get these but its all odds.

blindfireak40 · 10-22-11, 11:28 PM

There are several different modes of inheritance for snake (and most animal) genetics.

1) Simple Recessive: This is the easiest to understand. There are two "alleles", Dominant (or Normal, A for example) and recessive (a, in this case). The animal could be "Homozygous Normal" which means the genetic pattern at that "locus" would be "AA". Then they could be "Heterozygous for a" which means that the pattern would be "Aa", even though they look "Normal" (this is your "het Albino"). Finally, they could be "a", in which case they actually show whatever gene you're breeding for (They're actually albino) with the genetic pattern "aa".

2) Dominant: This works the same as Recessive, but in the OPPOSITE direction. An example would be the Tessera pattern mutation in corn snakes, where the ABNORMAL pattern dominates the normal one. In this case, "TT" and "Tt" look the same; both have the Tessera pattern. Only "tt" would appear normal.

3) Codominant: This is where a TON of your ball python morphs come in. Typically speaking, there are THREE "phenotypes" (outward appearances) in this case. There is the normal ("AA"), then the "het" form ("Aa") and then the "Super" form ("aa", homozygous a). All three are visually distinct from each other. An example of this would be the Pastel complex. PP= Normal, Pp= Pastel, pp= Super Pastel.

Those are the three basic methods of inheritance for genetics, and can be combined at one locus (to make things REALLY tricky). An example is the Amelanistic/Ultra locus in Corn Snakes. Amelanistic and Ultra are both simple recessive genes that are CODOMINANT with each other. This means that if the snake can have 4 different appearances based on the single locus:

"Normal": NN (homo Normal), Na (het Amel), Nu (het ultra)

"Amelanistic" (Albino): aa (homo Amel, Albino)

"Ultra": uu (homo Ultra)

"Ultramel" (this is where the codominance comes in): au (it shares appearance traits with both Amel and Ultra)

Hopefully that helped a little bit!! PM me if you want to discuss it further or have any more questions!

Strutter769 · 10-22-11, 11:33 PM

I love odds! It's legalized gambling! All kidding aside, the idea of creating some of these beautiful animals, whether worth $100 or $800. I figure the better the animals, the more they sell themselves.
Have any of you refused a sale, knowing the buyer couldn't/wouldn't care properly care for the animal? Just curious.