Need advice- new snake has RI - Page 2

citysnakes · 09-17-09, 11:22 AM

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Originally Posted by siz

I think the bottom line really is breed what you REALLY love and take it slow.

Jess, best advice i have ever heard on this forum.

when you rush into a bunch of animals you'll eventually run into a bunch of issues/problems that you've never considered and sometimes all at once.

i also think just because you received the snake with an RI doesnt necessarily mean that the breeder you purchased it from is shady and the animal is of lesser quality. sometimes the stress of shipping to another or across country is enough to cause RI in certain animals whether it be they are already immunocompromised or just sensitive. i do think you should have took the GTP to the vet before you started administering medication though...

are you able to properly quarantine all these new additions? you must have a massive house...

Will0W783 · 09-17-09, 11:44 AM

Yes I am able to quarantine all my new animals successfully and properly. While I don't have a massive house, I have made good use of the space that we do have, and make sure an animal is healthy before it comes out of quarantine. I think Aaron and Jess have made some good points to me about slowing down and not rushing into things. I am so fascinated by all the different snakes- GTPs for their mystical, dragon looks, BPs for their calm, docile nature, Bloods for their colorations and impressive stature, corns for their colors, etc. I dont' think I could choose just one type to breed. But it is true that by building up most of my future breeding stock recently, I have run into problems. I think they gave me the best advice in just telling me to slow it down and not get overwhelmed. I misunderstood Aaron and thought he was trying to be hurtful, but he does have the animals' best interests at heart, and doesn't want to see me get too many too quickly and then go under. I won't let that happen. My fiance and I are both committed to caring well for all our snakes and other pets. I am treating this snake, and hope that after he is well he can be a great future breeder, but I doubt I would want to subject him to the stress of cycling this season following a URI. The seller is going to help me with veterinary costs, and the snake is gorgeous, large, and most importantly for me, handleable and fairly docile. Hopefully once he's well he won't completely lose that good nature. Thank you all for the good advice and care, even if I may have not understood your intent at the time, I really do appreciate all the more experienced people here do for us "newbies."

citysnakes · 09-17-09, 05:43 PM

thats good because, as you obviously know, quarantining new animals is most important step in keeping your entire collection of snakes healthy and alive.

at one point i acquired a few new additions around the same time and had snakes all over the house. how do you think my momma felt about that...?

Will0W783 · 09-17-09, 05:51 PM

Lol. I only live with my fiance, and he likes the snakes too... But it can be interesting during quarantine time when my parents come to visit. My dad tries to trick my mom into walking into rooms with snakes and she freaks out. She's terrified of them, and no matter how hard I try to convince her they arent' "evil" she can't get over it.

zappaguy · 09-21-09, 11:07 AM

willow783??? you have 1 of the best chondro breeders in your backyard,why you wouldn't have bought from him and bought an obvious wc animal is beyond me...all comes down to the mighty $$ i guess.

Will0W783 · 09-21-09, 02:21 PM

I was told the animal was captive-bred and raised, and he seemed great in the pictures and I could find no negative information about the seller, who I will not mention because he is helping me out with vet costs and everything and trying all he can do to make me happy. In my mind, mistakes happen, and a snake could possibly catch a chill during shipping and get sick, and it is how the seller handles the situation that will make up my mind whether they are a bad guy or not. Now, I am not an expert on chondro breeders, and am not sure who you are referring to when you say the best chondro breeder. If you would be so kind as to tell me, perhaps I will give them my future business, IF I buy another chondro. It comes down to this: I thought I was getting a good deal for a PROVEN breeder, handleable male high-blue/yellow chondro, and I could find only good things about the seller on Fauna BOI, so I bought the snake. It turns out that within 3 days he showed signs of RI, and I notified the seller immediately, who is helping with the costs of my vet bills and treatments.

The snake has a vet appointment tomorrow morning. I have had my questions in this thread answered already. I learned my lesson to be a bit more careful in the future. As far as I'm concerned, this thread is pretty much beat to death.

**Aaron_S** · 09-21-09, 04:28 PM

Well we'll find out from the vet on how sick the snake is and when it developed it's RI. If it was after the seller sold it and during shipping then he can't be a bad guy because he is helping you out.

zappaguy · 09-22-09, 09:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Will0W783

I was told the animal was captive-bred and raised, and he seemed great in the pictures and I could find no negative information about the seller, who I will not mention because he is helping me out with vet costs and everything and trying all he can do to make me happy. In my mind, mistakes happen, and a snake could possibly catch a chill during shipping and get sick, and it is how the seller handles the situation that will make up my mind whether they are a bad guy or not. Now, I am not an expert on chondro breeders, and am not sure who you are referring to when you say the best chondro breeder. If you would be so kind as to tell me, perhaps I will give them my future business, IF I buy another chondro. It comes down to this: I thought I was getting a good deal for a PROVEN breeder, handleable male high-blue/yellow chondro, and I could find only good things about the seller on Fauna BOI, so I bought the snake. It turns out that within 3 days he showed signs of RI, and I notified the seller immediately, who is helping with the costs of my vet bills and treatments.

The snake has a vet appointment tomorrow morning. I have had my questions in this thread answered already. I learned my lesson to be a bit more careful in the future. As far as I'm concerned, this thread is pretty much beat to death.

i sure would like to know how a properly packed chondro can catch an ri that quickly.
i see that the same old tired statement 'of course its captive breed' is still out there with no proof....ie: did this breeder provide all the stats for this snake such as when it hatched,eating,defecation,shedding records...even lineage...i sure hope so..
ps:the breeder i am referring to is rob worrell....the best bar none.
pps:i do understand problems can happen and that is indeed where a quality breeder comes in play. if you wish you can send me an email or message with the breeders name(which i will keep confidential) and i will let you know if i know this person...i know most of them.
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Will0W783 · 09-22-09, 10:27 AM

Gorgeous chondros zappaguy! I love the high blue on the adult. I will pm you the breeder's name. I took the snake into the vet this morning and it turns out he has an abscess on the floor of his mouth that got infected and has been causing respiratory problems. The vet said the respiratory infection is cleared up but the abscess still needs treatment. He cleaned it out and sterilized the cyst. The good thing is it probably happened during his last feeding and wasn't anyone's fault, but I am surprised the seller did not notice it. Although it took a few days for me to notice the symptoms as well. He has not eaten for me, as he was ill. Hopefully this will clear up quickly, and he will be eating and thriving again. He really is one of the most beautiful GTPs I've ever seen and even the vet was complimenting me on how stunning he is.

zappaguy · 09-22-09, 10:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Will0W783

Gorgeous chondros zappaguy! I love the high blue on the adult. I will pm you the breeder's name. I took the snake into the vet this morning and it turns out he has an abscess on the floor of his mouth that got infected and has been causing respiratory problems. The vet said the respiratory infection is cleared up but the abscess still needs treatment. He cleaned it out and sterilized the cyst. The good thing is it probably happened during his last feeding and wasn't anyone's fault, but I am surprised the seller did not notice it. Although it took a few days for me to notice the symptoms as well. He has not eaten for me, as he was ill. Hopefully this will clear up quickly, and he will be eating and thriving again. He really is one of the most beautiful GTPs I've ever seen and even the vet was complimenting me on how stunning he is.

kim..a cyct doesn't 'just' occur and is indeed the fault of the 'breeder' because i can assure you that chondro didn't eat for a period of time..i would also suggest you get a fecal and or rectal swab done or at the very least treat it for internal parasites...i bet it has them.
also if i may point out you didn't address my questions of the detailed information on the chondro.

zappaguy · 09-22-09, 11:40 AM

ask your vet how a cyst would/could develop on the inside of a snakes mouth...you may be surprised on the answer.

Will0W783 · 09-22-09, 12:45 PM

I did ask, and he told me the snake most likely got nicked by a tooth or nail when he was swallowing his last meal. That's the only scenario he gave me. I was told the snake could not be shipped the week before because he'd just eaten 4 f/t mice. Is it possible he could have hurt his mouth then? That would be....September 1 that he last ate, he was shipped the 9th and arrived the 10th, showed symptoms on the 13th and was obviously bubbling on the 14th, I started treatment with amikacin on the 15th and have been giving an injection every 3 days since. I was surprised to hear that it was a cyst- what other ways can one develop besides injury by prey? Also, wouldn't a WC green tree python not be tame? This guy is a sweetheart. I'm not defending the seller; I'm quite peeved about this situation, but I'm really hoping he is CB, as I'm in for probably a lot more problems if we was WC.

zappaguy · 09-23-09, 08:09 AM

well other ways that cysts can develope is via internal and or external parasites. as for getting nicked while feeding....i guess this could in theory happen but in 35 years and countless upon countless snakes and feedings i have never seen this happen....just sayin'
also being wc or cb will not dictate on how tractable and animal is or isin't.
keep me posted and if in fact it did eat 4 mice then you will be presented with a 'gift' shortly and i strongly suggest you talk to your vet about a fecal being done and how to give said gift to the vet in a proper package and how it is to be stored after leaving the snake and getting it to the vet.
also i would recommend that you keep the cage disinfected whenever any sort of filth/dirt is presented.
keep me posted.

Will0W783 · 09-23-09, 09:35 AM

I will. Thanks zappaguy!

MegF · 09-26-09, 04:25 AM

Hope your animal improves Kimberly. Chondros are very delicate when it comes to RI's and they can go downhill fast if not treated. As far as being nasty if they are imports...one of my tamest chondros (and amazons for that matter) are imported animals. One of my nastiest is an import too, but that's the animal. I have nasty tempered Amazons that I produced myself and some very tame ones I produced myself. You'll find that with arboreals, they tend to either be good or not.