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10-22-03, 01:15 PM
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beautiful snakes, Invictus!
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10-22-03, 02:02 PM
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I agree that these very well could be taiwans. They just seem to have more of the distinct bow-tie pattern that is associated with the Yunnans. If you look at the first picture above, you'll see the bow-tie pattern which comes to a very sharp point in the middle. I have't been able to find that on a picture of a Taiwan beauty. Don't get me wrong, I hope they are Taiwans - then I won't have such a b*tch of a time finding a female. 
Ryan, I'll look forward to reading any info you have on getting a definitive ID on these guys. In the mean time, I'll get more detailed pictures of the patterns.
Thanks for the help so far everyone!
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10-22-03, 02:34 PM
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Keep in mind that pattern's not all what Yunnan's are about. They're colour is also very distinctive. Taiwans may have yellow too but Yunnan's seem to have a more intense colour. I have no doubt that yours are Taiwans.
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10-22-03, 02:43 PM
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Hi Invictus,
Without really delving into the literature I have to concur with Katt and Vanan - looks like friesei to me. That was my initial impression.
Nice snakes, though! Congrats.
Simon
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10-22-03, 02:44 PM
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Cool. Like I said, I was actually hoping they were Taiwans. Now finding a female should be quite easy. 
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10-22-03, 02:55 PM
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Nice stuff guys!
Congrats,
Trevor
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10-22-03, 03:05 PM
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Wow~
nice looking snakes~
congrats Ken~
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10-22-03, 09:36 PM
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Thanks Ryan and Simon for the vote of confidence. I absolutely love the beauty complex and REALLY want to get my hands on some yunanensis
Again, colour AND pattern have to be taken into consideration regarding the beauties. Bowties, cross bars etc, can be all mixed and matched. Trying to ID a beauty based on "bowties" can be like id'ing BCI and BCC based on "peaked saddles".
The neck alone on those snakes says, "not chinese". Yunans ARE chinese beauties, but from the Yunan province. They're just a little bit nicer, and a little bit different.
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10-23-03, 08:25 AM
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Thanks everyone. You convinced me - they are Taiwans Evidently the guy who had them before had them for 4 or 5 years - so I suspect they won't get any bigger than they are now. That's a bit disappointing, since I'd hesitate to say that they are much bigger than 5.5 feet or so. Nonetheless, they are beautiful, wonderfully active snakes to keep, and I'm looking forward to many years with them.
Ryan and Sheila - Does Jewel have a "date" for this year's mating season?
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10-23-03, 01:00 PM
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Ken remind me to check out a buddy here in town for you. He has a big female that could probably use a couple of studs. Mark I.
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10-23-03, 04:22 PM
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SWEET! First ask him if he wants to part with his female. If not, I'll go 50/50 on a breeding project, IF he's trustworthy.
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10-23-03, 05:20 PM
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Damn nice looking snake dude. I love Asian Rats. I picked up 2 Cave Dwelling Rats from the ETHS/IHS show in Houston earlier this yr. By the way from your pic and shirt it looks like we have a very simialr taste in music. What band is your avatar from.scott Wahlberg
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10-23-03, 09:16 PM
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Thank for the compliments guys. As soon as they were dropped off at our store and I showed them to Invictus, I knew he'd fall in love with them as I did. <b> Scott: </b> His avatar is Shagrath; the lead singer from Dimmu Borgir. I like your avatar too BTW, Children Of Bodom RULES!!! My fave song by them is "Hate Me"
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10-23-03, 09:23 PM
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I love that snake, I want one!
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10-23-03, 09:33 PM
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Very nice... I'm sure you'll like them as much as I like mine. Ironically, I just got home from Toronto where I picked up a really nice 7 ft male that's as thick as my wrist (I already had a 4 ft yearling female from Scales Zoo). I got this new one from a friend-of-a-friend and when I talked to the guy on the phone I got the impression that it was nippy and hard to handle so I wasn't sure what to expect when I got there. I think the guy was just a little intimidated by the size and speed of this animal because I'm happy to say that I handled him twice tonight for about 20 minutes (including the fact that I had to work him out of his hide) and he showed no signs of agression... and it hadn't been free-handled in over 2 years...
I just love these snakes...
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