Snake Identification : Istanbul Turkey

[CrotalusR#1]

Originally Posted by PatrickT

A bit rough to expect that i would know your local names. I´m german. How am i suppossed to know your slangwords? I also said Natrix tesselata and did not call it Würfelnatter, how we name it.

So i will stick to scientific names.

All species you show are Viper genera.

The bright coloration looks like they are pretty young.

I would say first is crotalus viridis.

I would say the second is also a Crotalus viridis, because it has exactly the same markings on its head.

Well the 3rd picture...all look like subspecies from one form. They look similar to the first two but the markings are slightly different. They dont look exactly like viridis so i suppose they are crotalus oreganus. They are the closest to viridis.

So you don't know what any of them are than? You have named the clades but not the actual subspecies names.. So if you where to guess you'd probably get one or 2 rite just because there are only so many in the clades but as of now you didn't get any of them rite. Also the one you said is young is a full grown adult that has produced, I understand the confusion tho with out knowing the species. So I believe you said you know yours crotalids? Seems like you could use some reaserch, As we all do but you mite want to rethink such bold statements before typing them.


There is no reason for an argument here like so many others, I posted a few animals, you didn't know them, that's that. There's no reason to contuie on between us. Thanks, take care.

[PatrickT]

Originally Posted by CrotalusR#1

So you don't know what any of them are than? You have named the clades but not the actual subspecies names.. So if you where to guess you'd probably get one or 2 rite just because there are only so many in the clades but as of now you didn't get any of them rite. Also the one you said is young is a full grown adult that has produced, I understand the confusion tho with out knowing the species. So I believe you said you know yours crotalids? Seems like you could use some reaserch, As we all do but you mite want to rethink such bold statements before typing them. Thanks, take care.

Looks like you must take a basic lesson in cladistic. I did not name the clade only. I named the specific species. The clade would be if i only said Crotalus. I can´t break it down to the sub species, so what?

You guys labelled a totally harmless natrix a viper. And you seriously attack me because i can name a snake from another continent only down to its species? Don´t get me wrong...but you were not even able to distinguish a natrix tesselata from a whipsnake.

I would understand your personal rant if i identified your snakes as thamnophis...that would be as far away from the real thing as you were.

But no hard feelings comrade. Are those yours? They look nice. I would not keep poison snakes but i like to watch them.

[alpha]

thanks for the identification everyone !

[FWK]

Originally Posted by alpha

thanks for the identification everyone !

Anytime alpha, and if you do manage to grab a shot of that shiny black snake or any other critter be sure to share.

Originally Posted by PatrickT

You guys labelled a totally harmless natrix a viper.

Only a couple people suggested it was a viper, Aaron made it very clear it was only a guess based on the shape of its head. Such a suggestion indicates caution would be wise, which is exactly why I stated I was unwilling to rule out a viper myself. CrotalusR#1 was confident it was not a viper, I do not know why you grouped him with "you guys." Albert was wrong but that is no reason to rub it in anyone's face. I would prefer to mistakenly call a non-venomous animal venomous than the other way around for safety reasons.

Originally Posted by PatrickT

Our education system in germany is one of best in the world and i had Leistungskurs Biologie. So bring it.

You do have a point here, the US is lagging far behind the curve in this regard. But perhaps your curriculum should at some point include a course in humility. Ours absolutely should.

Originally Posted by CrotalusR#1

I personally thought the way he responded was immature and arrogant.

You should probably consider you own responses before throwing the first stone.

[Princess-dad]

FWK Well put lots of attitudes flying around . Lets all remember some of the posts made are being made be young men who havent learned better yet , also there is a culture and language barrier. But no matter how hard I try Im finding it hard to find an excuse for the older members comments . I have noticed that that one needs to be very careful what they post or risk a random attack . So more to the point Patrick you are not gonna be left alone if you keep comparing Europeans to North Americans . Especially letting us all know you feel superior . Everybody else that cant say you are young , cocky , to stupid to not argue , when all you are really doing is trying soothe your hurt feelings . Lets try being adults by ignoring the mistakes or rudeness of others instead of turning it into a **** measuring contest .