woma python incubation

scarhead · 02-06-15, 11:27 PM

It was feeding fine for me for a few months when I got them the male went off food during his medication for the respiratory tract infection.. Its not husbandary issues or stress from the move I have a proper racking system with heat tape and a helix thermostat... I have digital temp and hygrometers with probes for monitoring there temp an humidity.. And my female is eating fine its a breeding pair they both got the same respiratory tract infections an she recovered fine and eats heartily...

scarhead · 02-06-15, 11:39 PM

He didn't go off food when I took over thank you.. He ate fine for three months till they got respiratory infections.. I'm an experienced handler and don't skimp on equipment especially for my womas. The prize pair of my collection.. Every thing I use for equipment is high end zoo med, exo Terra, zilla and helix... My female is healthy and gravid along with the other 21 in my collection... I couldn't achieve that with improper husbandary conditions.. I breed corns, kings, pythons, and every kind in between lol

Derek Roddy · 02-07-15, 04:06 AM

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Originally Posted by scarhead

It was feeding fine for me for a few months when I got them the male went off food during his medication for the respiratory tract infection.. Its not husbandary issues or stress from the move I have a proper racking system with heat tape and a helix thermostat.

If when they came to you they were fine and developed RI issues 3 months after getting to you, then yes....it absolutely is husbandry issues (Esp if both got it). Snakes just don't get sick for no reason.

Being that they're Womas I'd bet that the humidity is too high. Womas Like lower humidity than most other Aussie species and will develop RIs, esp in rack systems, if Humidity is too high. Somewhere in the 45 to 55% range is good most of the year for them.

And also, temps being too high can cause RIs in Womas. They don't like being a consistent temp all day and night. I find they prefer a cool down of about 4 - 6 degrees at night time.

If you talk to Don again....tell him hello. I've know him for several years.

D

scarhead · 02-07-15, 08:01 AM

My vet thinks it might be a liver issue hopefully will have blood work done next month hopefully I'll find out more but I keep my womas at 35-40% humidity

scarhead · 02-07-15, 08:12 AM

And my temps at 78 - 82° I don't have a night time drop though... I actually received them from henry Piorun through don p and my male was showing signs of a respiratory infection just wheezing when he was handled I thought it was stress from. The move at 1st as some snakes mimic rit's from stress and cuz it was only wen he was handled.. He skipped a month of eating wen I 1st received him but got him eating again fine... After a couple months of him wheezing wen he was handled only an for a min wen I put him back I looked at him 1 morning an he was open mouth breathing so I rushed him to the vets it wasn't till a week on antibiotics that he went off food and refused since

scarhead · 02-07-15, 08:24 AM

My vet seems to think they got the rti's from overnight shipping I'm not really sure how they got it.. I do apriciate all your help Derrick and every1 else to.. He looked healthy other than the weight loss he had stopped drinking water during the anti biotics but I got. Him drinking again after a couple slurry's with electrolyte mix.. I got all my info for health care from my vets and Melissa Kaplan's anapsid.org which seems to know more than my veterinarian lol I've been following anapsid.org starvation protocol. And the fluid therapy.

scarhead · 02-07-15, 08:28 AM

I don't know if not having a night drop in womas temp cud cause rti's?

scarhead · 02-07-15, 09:59 AM

I keep their temp at 78°-82°.. I received them and my male was wheezing wen I handled him but only wen handled and for a min wen I put him back he was doing this wen I first received them I thought it was stress from the move and overnight shipping and he wasn't eating when I 1st got them my female was but it took a little over a month to get the male to. Eat but did finally. After a month of eating heartily I came down in the morning to check on them and my male was open mouthed breathing so I rushed him to the vets. I got him put on antibiotics baytrill and another1 and he refused his 1st meal after a week of medicating him and hasn't ate since. He looks healthy sheds in 1 piece and still urinates and has no issue with deification..

scarhead · 02-07-15, 10:04 AM

I need to stop him from loosing weight and I'm having trouble keeping his BMR from force feeding carnivore care powder slurry mix.. Can I add a raw egg and is there anything else you can recommend to keep his weight up till I figure out what's wrong.. Other than refusing to eat he's healthy

scarhead · 02-07-15, 10:14 AM

I did get the ri under control and I paid for culture an sensitivity tests at the vets to make sure and had fecal matter tested both came back ok and neither has had signs of ri's since its just my male won't eat.. Cud my temps and humidity being to low stop him from eating?

Derek Roddy · 02-07-15, 10:32 AM

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Originally Posted by scarhead

I got him put on antibiotics baytrill and another1 and he refused his 1st meal after a week of medicating him and hasn't ate since.

Unfortunately, I think you may be too late on this one to save him if you're injecting Baytrill. This is why I don't like vets. And not to scare you but, I've never had a snake given Baytrill to survive over the long run.

If he's urinating green spots at all....he might already have a liver problems because of the infection and then the baytrill almost 100% makes it worse at this stage. (Which would be why he stopped eating.

Try this.....at about 3 minutes in...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pJCnPfuqaBM

To be honest, Womas never seem to 100% kick RI issue. But, I've had them live long lives with it, as long as it's managed and they're kept warm (88-89) during that time.

I had success in turning plenty of animals around (mostly other peoples) with the F10 treatment.

Good luck,
D

**millertime89** · 02-10-15, 04:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Derek Roddy

Unfortunately, I think you may be too late on this one to save him if you're injecting Baytrill. This is why I don't like vets. And not to scare you but, I've never had a snake given Baytrill to survive over the long run.

If he's urinating green spots at all....he might already have a liver problems because of the infection and then the baytrill almost 100% makes it worse at this stage. (Which would be why he stopped eating.

I'm in complete agreement. Unfortunately if you're seeing green, it's probably too late. That can be a sign of chronic dehydration as well as it can be indicative of the kidneys shutting down.

scarhead · 03-16-15, 12:57 PM

Thank you everybody for all of your help... Just a quick update on my womas health my male seems to be recovering and is doing a lot better since I raised his body temperature up to 88°-90° and his humidity to 55%-60% and thank you derrick your tips u gave me probably saved my males life.. I had blood work done to check for liver disease and it came back negative

he ate his 1st rat a medium size for the 1st time since July and has started drinking again normally.. He has ate another rat since then and has had normal deifications and has NO green spots in his urine

my female has moved her eggs from her ovaries to her oviducts where they meet the awaiting sperm and becomes gravid.. She pushed her eggs down a few days ago and is about to start her prelay shed

I was quite off on my timings lol but still continued to integrate my male and female and have had a witnessed lock every week for the last two months