Your view of the reptile hobby

[Mikoh4792]

Originally Posted by Aaron_S

Nothing to do with council meetings.

You want to know why it's relevant? You created a thread about change. I have the mindset if you want something changed then go and do it. How is that irrelevant? You're literally being obtuse to try and make your point.

Oh that's right. It flies in the face of YOUR view so it can't possibly mean anything to a thread about change.

There's a LOT someone can do to "change" things. They just need to get off their lazy *** and do something about it. Don't need any meetings or discussions to do it. Just go out and raise a 1.1 of any "different" species and attempt to produce offspring.

It's straight forward.

Yes but what change is there to make? People like creating morphs, people like buying morphs. That's something that I "dislike" but there's nothing to change. Why do you keep telling me to do something about it? I can have a negative opinion about something, but if it's something people want to do who am I to try to stop that? Especially when it's not violating me in anyway?


And raising 1.1 of a species won't change anything. I am currently raising "1.1's" to keep as pets and have fun breeding in the future. Why recommend that as a method of change?

Oh that's right. It flies in the face of YOUR view so it can't possibly mean anything to a thread about change.

I don't know what this statement was for, but basically you are taking this very personally and seriously over my statement of dislike for the ball python morph craze. I was just giving my input to this thread's topic and you are the one dragging this trivial issue along.

It's straight forward

What's straight forward is the OP.

"What is your view on the reptile hobby as of now? What are some changes that would make it "better" in your opinion? In what direction would you like to see this hobby go?".

My input to that question was that I have distaste for the morph craze, particularly with ball pythons... but as I've explained time and time again, there's no real change to be done. That's just what people like right now. Has nothing to do with being lazy.

You confuse me because most of your posts are filled with ad-hominem. What personal problems do you have with me?

You have the last word. I've taken the time to try to get you to understand my points. If you don't get it by now, you won't get it anytime soon. You win, I lose.

[Aaron_S]

Originally Posted by Mikoh4792

Yes but what change is there to make? People like creating morphs, people like buying morphs. That's something that I "dislike" but there's nothing to change. Why do you keep telling me to do something about it? I can have a negative opinion about something, but if it's something people want to do who am I to try to stop that? Especially when it's not violating me in anyway?


And raising 1.1 of a species won't change anything. I am currently raising "1.1's" to keep as pets and have fun breeding in the future. Why recommend that as a method of change?




I don't know what this statement was for, but basically you are taking this very personally and seriously over my statement of dislike for the ball python morph craze. I was just giving my input to this thread's topic and you are the one dragging this trivial issue along.




What's straight forward is the OP.

"What is your view on the reptile hobby as of now? What are some changes that would make it "better" in your opinion? In what direction would you like to see this hobby go?".

My input to that question was that I have distaste for the morph craze, particularly with ball pythons... but as I've explained time and time again, there's no real change to be done. That's just what people like right now. Has nothing to do with being lazy.

You confuse me because most of your posts are filled with ad-hominem. What personal problems do you have with me?

You have the last word. I've taken the time to try to get you to understand my points. If you don't get it by now, you won't get it anytime soon. You win, I lose.

The bold states you asked how the hobby can change for the "better".

The bold underline states that there's "no real change to be done."

You can't have it both ways. You aren't open to actual answers that differ from your view because you continually tell people that certain things aren't relevant when they are.

Case in point in a previous post you said my mindset to change something that someone dislikes is irrelevant when you made a thread about change. It makes no sense because in fact if we're discussing change then yes my point is/was relevant.

It's like beating my head against a wall here.

If someone dislikes something but doesn't want to change it then shut up and keep it to yourself. No one wants to here babbling if you're not going to do something about it. It becomes pointless drivel.

[Mikoh4792]

Originally Posted by Aaron_S

The bold states you asked how the hobby can change for the "better".

The bold underline states that there's "no real change to be done."

You can't have it both ways. You aren't open to actual answers that differ from your view because you continually tell people that certain things aren't relevant when they are.

Case in point in a previous post you said my mindset to change something that someone dislikes is irrelevant when you made a thread about change. It makes no sense because in fact if we're discussing change then yes my point is/was relevant.

It's like beating my head against a wall here.

If someone dislikes something but doesn't want to change it then shut up and keep it to yourself. No one wants to here babbling if you're not going to do something about it. It becomes pointless drivel.

Sharing my view is one part of the question. My answer doesn't need to encompass all aspects of all three questions. This isn't an assignment. It's just an opener for conversation.

Giving my view does answer the first question, it doesn't go against anything to say that there is no real change to be done. That's just a change I'd like to see.

You see it as pointless, that's fine. You are entitled to your opinion, as am I.

It's like beating my head against a wall here.

I feel the same way.

[Aaron_S]

Originally Posted by Mikoh4792

Sharing my view is one part of the question. My answer doesn't need to encompass all aspects of all three questions. This isn't an assignment. It's just an opener for conversation.

Giving my view does answer the first question, it doesn't go against anything to say that there is no real change to be done. That's just a change I'd like to see.

You see it as pointless, that's fine. You are entitled to your opinion, as am I.




I feel the same way.

Exactly.

You would like to see a change. Why not make that change yourself? This has been my whole point and you have claimed for pages that you didn't want change.

Quit flip flopping. It's fine to have an opinion but because someone doesn't agree don't back pedal.

This has been my point the entire time.

Before I said a word this was very much a "I dislike the morphs blah blah blah" thread. Sure dislike it. That's fine but no one should be rude about it and call everyone interested in it a "pokemon collector". It's ignorant to assume someone's mentality.

Further, my point was to all those people who dislike seeing all those morphs at shows to stop whining about it on the internet and just do something about it.

For example, I wanted to see more rough scale sand boas so I went and bought a few pairs. I didn't complain that I didn't see any. I found them and bought them.

[Mikoh4792]

Originally Posted by Aaron_S

Exactly.

You would like to see a change. Why not make that change yourself? This has been my whole point and you have claimed for pages that you didn't want change.

Quit flip flopping. It's fine to have an opinion but because someone doesn't agree don't back pedal.

This has been my point the entire time.

Before I said a word this was very much a "I dislike the morphs blah blah blah" thread. Sure dislike it. That's fine but no one should be rude about it and call everyone interested in it a "pokemon collector". It's ignorant to assume someone's mentality.

Further, my point was to all those people who dislike seeing all those morphs at shows to stop whining about it on the internet and just do something about it.

For example, I wanted to see more rough scale sand boas so I went and bought a few pairs. I didn't complain that I didn't see any. I found them and bought them.

Whatever man, I'm done arguing with you. You are full of lies.

I claimed to not want change? Back pedal? No I want change, I'd like to see change. It's just so minor and trivial. It's not worth it!

get this through your skull^. It's just a complaint I make during conversation like a salty meal. " This is a bit salty". I still eat the plate!



Ah I see. So the reason you're being annoying is because you are butthurt over the collector's item comment. You have no real reason to argue other than being personally hurt. Well I'm sorry and I apologize. I can see why you were doing nothing but ad-hominem attacks this whole time. It was kind of a "get back at me" kind of thing. It's okay you won. Happy? I'm not going to keep my opinion to myself. That's what this thread is about. Discussion. If you get butt-hurt not my problem. Grow some thicker skin.


edit: where did you get pokemon? LOL

[Aaron_S]

Originally Posted by Mikoh4792

Whatever man, I'm done arguing with you. You are full of lies.

I claimed to not want change? Back pedal? No I want change, I'd like to see change. It's just so minor and trivial. It's not worth it!

get this through your skull^. It's just a complaint I make during conversation like a salty meal. " This is a bit salty". I still eat the plate!



Ah I see. So the reason you're being annoying is because you are butthurt over the collector's item comment. You have no real reason to argue other than being personally hurt. Well I'm sorry and I apologize. I can see why you were doing nothing but ad-hominem attacks this whole time. It was kind of a "get back at me" kind of thing. It's okay you won. Happy? I'm not going to keep my opinion to myself. That's what this thread is about. Discussion. If you get butt-hurt not my problem. Grow some thicker skin.


edit: where did you get pokemon? LOL

1. I didn't lie. I don't need to. It's in your own posts.

2. This is all personal is it not? Was this not about what we want to change? I personally don't care who hates ball pythons but it's silly to attack it and then not want to try and change it. My point is specifically about expos. If people want to see something different then go and change that. It doesn't take anyone specifically to change that.

3. Sorry you took these all as personal attacks. They aren't. They are showing how your point may or may not be valid. Nothing personal on my part because I simply don't care about you enough to take it that way.

4. Pokemon part came from someone's post. Maybe if you actually read everything in your thread about change.

5. To you specifically, you made a thread about change. You then told everyone what you'd like to see changed. You then said you aren't anyone within a poisiton to make the change so why should you? You also said you don't care to change it but yet want to complain or "discuss" it.
If you care enough to "discuss" or complain about it then you care enough to change it.

In regards to your meal analogy. Going forward are you going to continue to make that same meal with as much salt or will you tone it down next time? Why would you make the same thing again knowing you prefer it with less salt?

It's the same thing here.

My mindset is if you want to complain about something needing change then go and do it. No one is stopping anyone from achieving that goal. I proved it when I, myself took on a role to support local bylaw changes enough to go to meetings.
You probably don't see how this matters in regards to change since you said it's irrelevant after bringing it to this thread...

Edit: This isn't about "winning" any argument. It's to tell people if they want something changed that they themselves can do it! That it IS possible for any hobbyiest, breeder or otherwise to change something on any kind of scale.

[Mikoh4792]

Originally Posted by Aaron_S

1. I didn't lie. I don't need to. It's in your own posts.

2. This is all personal is it not? Was this not about what we want to change? I personally don't care who hates ball pythons but it's silly to attack it and then not want to try and change it. My point is specifically about expos. If people want to see something different then go and change that. It doesn't take anyone specifically to change that.

3. Sorry you took these all as personal attacks. They aren't. They are showing how your point may or may not be valid. Nothing personal on my part because I simply don't care about you enough to take it that way.

4. Pokemon part came from someone's post. Maybe if you actually read everything in your thread about change.

5. To you specifically, you made a thread about change. You then told everyone what you'd like to see changed. You then said you aren't anyone within a poisiton to make the change so why should you? You also said you don't care to change it but yet want to complain or "discuss" it.
If you care enough to "discuss" or complain about it then you care enough to change it.

In regards to your meal analogy. Going forward are you going to continue to make that same meal with as much salt or will you tone it down next time? Why would you make the same thing again knowing you prefer it with less salt?

It's the same thing here.

My mindset is if you want to complain about something needing change then go and do it. No one is stopping anyone from achieving that goal. I proved it when I, myself took on a role to support local bylaw changes enough to go to meetings.
You probably don't see how this matters in regards to change since you said it's irrelevant after bringing it to this thread...

Edit: This isn't about "winning" any argument. It's to tell people if they want something changed that they themselves can do it! That it IS possible for any hobbyiest, breeder or otherwise to change something on any kind of scale.

Well I did say numerous times I was going to quit arguing with you, but if theres one thing that riles me up, it's intellectual dishonesty.

You did lie. You claimed I back pedaled by saying I don't want change, and then I do want change. This never happened.




This is basically where our argument took off on the morph craze subject.

Originally Posted by Aaron_S

Here's a good question, instead of complaining about it on the internet, what are you currently doing to change it?

Originally Posted by mikoh4792

Not exactly complaining, just expressing my views on the forum. Do I need to take action for every view I have? I personally don't see the overwhelming number of ball pythons at expos as a big deal. It's just something I'm stating while we are on the subject.

I'll just leave it at that.