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Terranaut · 02-02-14, 01:19 PM

The everglade issue is not due to people releasing pets I to the wild. It was due to a hurricane releasing almost a thousand in one day. This was proven by never finding any morphs in the wild. I will see if I can find the article I read about all of this but it was a while ago.

Mikoh4792 · 02-02-14, 01:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Terranaut

The everglade issue is not due to people releasing pets I to the wild. It was due to a hurricane releasing almost a thousand in one day. This was proven by never finding any morphs in the wild. I will see if I can find the article I read about all of this but it was a while ago.

I believe I've read about this too. A hurricane basically shred a facility to bits, and the animals got loose. Besides I heard the burms were declining in number each year. Hope to find out more about this.

**Aaron_S** · 02-02-14, 01:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Terranaut

The everglade issue is not due to people releasing pets I to the wild. It was due to a hurricane releasing almost a thousand in one day. This was proven by never finding any morphs in the wild. I will see if I can find the article I read about all of this but it was a while ago.

I know this. I have read it.

I doubt it was all because of that.
Either way, it affected our hobby. A single animal or incident affects our hobby. Someone died in Brampton or Burlington from their large constrictor over 2 decades ago and they still can't have any boas or pythons of any size.

**Aaron_S** · 02-02-14, 01:43 PM

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completely irrelevant. We're talking about a snake native to Georgia. Apples and oranges. And again, I wasn't condoning it, I was just saying there is no need to be overly aggressive about the topic.

Actually it's apples to apples.

You were making an argument that a single animal won't harm our hobby. I am proving you wrong considering it has many times in the past. Which makes it relevant.

Proof for me? It's in the cases I stated in the above post. We can also use the tragedy from New Brunswick in late 2013. It brought a lot of eyes upon the hobby as a whole and that was a single snake. So yes, a single animal CAN affect the hobby. A single person breaking the law with a single animal CAN and DOES affect the hobby.

Don't cast off an opposing view as irrelevant because it proves you wrong. Bring something substantial.

psychocircus · 02-02-14, 01:48 PM

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Actually it's apples to apples.

You were making an argument that a single animal won't harm our hobby. I am proving you wrong considering it has many times in the past. Which makes it relevant.

Proof for me? It's in the cases I stated in the above post. We can also use the tragedy from New Brunswick in late 2013. It brought a lot of eyes upon the hobby as a whole and that was a single snake. So yes, a single animal CAN affect the hobby. A single person breaking the law with a single animal CAN and DOES affect the hobby.

Don't cast off an opposing view as irrelevant because it proves you wrong. Bring something substantial.

What impact do you propose a single cornsnake being brought into Georgia would have? This is an animal that is already illegal to own, whereas in your examples it was a legal animal either released or that caused harm to a person.

Terranaut · 02-02-14, 04:09 PM

It makes us law abiding owners look like criminals.
the general public lumps us all as the same. One idiot owning an illegal snake in NB had a whole nation reconsidering laws about reptile just 5 months ago. Average Joe doesn't know the difference between a corn and a cobra. This argument is all moot. Follow the law.....change it if it doesn't suit you.

shaunyboy · 02-02-14, 09:45 PM

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It makes us law abiding owners look like criminals.
the general public lumps us all as the same. One idiot owning an illegal snake in NB had a whole nation reconsidering laws about reptile just 5 months ago. Average Joe doesn't know the difference between a corn and a cobra. This argument is all moot. Follow the law.....change it if it doesn't suit you.

^^^^^
this.....

because more often than not,the general public focus on the one bad keepers actions,ignoring the thousands of reputable keepers out there,there's already too many people out there trying to make our hobby out in a bad way,the last thing we need is keepers coming on a forum saying...

feck the laws,i'll do what i want

not exactly doing the hobby a lot of good,no ?

cheers shaun

Alexa · 02-02-14, 10:35 PM

I hate that it is true, but the public is very mistrustful of exotic animal keepers in general, and snake keepers specifically. Though very few snakes are dangerous, the vast majority of people either don't see anything good about them, or are downright phobic. Between sensationalism in the media and local politicians looking for an easy win, there are already too many ways for reptile keepers to lose the fight.

Don't give anyone an excuse, especially over something as simple as a corn snake (though they are wonderful). There are dozens or hundreds of other species that would likely give you similar enjoyment.

**Aaron_S** · 02-03-14, 12:12 AM

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Originally Posted by psychocircus

What impact do you propose a single cornsnake being brought into Georgia would have? This is an animal that is already illegal to own, whereas in your examples it was a legal animal either released or that caused harm to a person.

The fact it is already illegal to own makes it worse! We should simply abide by the laws and instead of pissing and moaning on the internet about how stupid the law is how about being proactive and actually attempting to change it instead of waiting for someone else to do it.

For the record, the animal in New Brunswick was given illegal to keep as he lost his status as a zoo or some thing like that.

KORBIN5895 · 02-03-14, 01:26 AM

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Originally Posted by psychocircus

What impact do you propose a single cornsnake being brought into Georgia would have? This is an animal that is already illegal to own, whereas in your examples it was a legal animal either released or that caused harm to a person.

The arp was actually smuggled into NB as a hatchling then surrendered to the SPCA. It was then rehomed to Jean Claude because he had a zoo permit. He allowed his permit to lapse but never got rid of his prohibited animals.

Terranaut · 02-03-14, 09:46 AM

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The arp was actually smuggled into NB as a hatchling then surrendered to the SPCA. It was then rehomed to Jean Claude because he had a zoo permit. He allowed his permit to lapse but never got rid of his prohibited animals.

This is why I think we haven't heard much more about this. The province gave him the snake and failed to remove it from him when his permits expired. They may be held responsible for the deaths as they had on record that they gave him the snake. I would bet the mom has or will get paid to sign a non disclosure contract to keep this negligence out of the news.
sad regardless and another case of one person wrecking it for the rest of us.

robertjnovak59 · 02-03-14, 10:32 AM

No doubts, if an illegally kept corn escaped and strangled 2 children the entire hobby would be in jeopardy! Be responsible!

**Tsubaki** · 02-03-14, 10:46 AM

Kill? No.. off-course not. Put the hobby in a bad light? Yes. People who do not know anything about snakes get frightened either way. No matter if it is a little harmless corn snake, or a cobra. 'Escaped 'pet' snake terrorizes household' is a bad enough title, it does not have to be 'Dangerous escaped 'pet' snake terrorizes household' To make it bad news for the hobby.

robertjnovak59 · 02-03-14, 11:01 AM

I understand the point but lets keep it realistic. Even in the dullest of communities, an illegal corn snake wouldn't be a blip in the local paper. Comparing it to New Brunswick is ludicrous.

**Tsubaki** · 02-03-14, 11:26 AM

It would be here, any escaped snake has a big chance of making the news. Police here knows nothing of snakes, we only have 3 native species and those are very rare and endangered. You will only see them if you actively go looking for them, which is not allowed because you get fined for disturbing them haha.

For example: This is how an article about a found 1 foot long cornsnake would start: -'Unknown potentially Dangerous 5 foot snake found NEAR CHILDREN'- A potentially dangerous snake has been found in the proximity of a school, the snake is most likely an escaped exotic pet and the police is looking for it's owner. A snake expert has been contact to collect the animal. - Followed up by terrified parents blabla..... heh...Yea..... Even if there is an expert present telling them the animal is not dangerous, they still get 80% of the information wrong. Any escaping snake here, is devastating for the hobby.

Then again, i am not American. People here are not used to snakes.