Your view of the reptile hobby

[athms]

Ball pythons,leopard geckos,corn snakes,bearded dragons,crested geckos is all people are buying and selling for money. 95% of videos i watch is of a 8 year old that has bought a leopard gecko and is going to start breeding them and i always think "wow your going to make lots of money cause not like your going up against giant breeders". Here is the reptile community.

In it for money-85%
Want to show off-5%
In it for the animals-10%

Why don't people try making morphs of other animals? Like tiger salamanders or green anoles other wise were just going to be stuck in the same cycle.

[smy_749]

Originally Posted by athms

Ball pythons,leopard geckos,corn snakes,bearded dragons,crested geckos is all people are buying and selling for money. 95% of videos i watch is of a 8 year old that has bought a leopard gecko and is going to start breeding them and i always think "wow your going to make lots of money cause not like your going up against giant breeders". Here is the reptile community.

In it for money-85%
Want to show off-5%
In it for the animals-10%

Why don't people try making morphs of other animals? Like tiger salamanders or green anoles other wise were just going to be stuck in the same cycle.

This is pretty accurate.

You can divide the 10% that are "In it for the animals" to 8% uneducated on proper husbandry, and thinking their reptiles love them and love to dress up for halloween and sleep on their laps. 2% can say the scientific name of whats in their collection, and tell you some interesting facts.

[athms]

Originally Posted by smy_749

This is pretty accurate.

You can divide the 10% that are "In it for the animals" to 8% uneducated on proper husbandry, and thinking their reptiles love them and love to dress up for halloween and sleep on their laps. 2% can say the scientific name of whats in their collection, and tell you some interesting facts.

Thanks i guess im in that 2%

[CosmicOwl]

Originally Posted by athms

Ball pythons,leopard geckos,corn snakes,bearded dragons,crested geckos is all people are buying and selling for money. 95% of videos i watch is of a 8 year old that has bought a leopard gecko and is going to start breeding them and i always think "wow your going to make lots of money cause not like your going up against giant breeders". Here is the reptile community.

In it for money-85%
Want to show off-5%
In it for the animals-10%

Why don't people try making morphs of other animals? Like tiger salamanders or green anoles other wise were just going to be stuck in the same cycle.

There just isn't a demand for morphs of other animals. There are a ton of Black/Texas rat snake morphs that you can easily buy for 40-50 dollars. My Grey rat snake was 35 dollars. Even if I bought one from a small breeder who specializes in North American rat snakes, it would have still only cost around 50-90 bucks. Ball Python morph easily start off at 200-400 dollars. People want the BP morphs because they're expensive and they're expensive because people want them. The only people buying lesser known reptiles are the people who genuinely like them.

Personallly, if there were one thing I could change, I'd like to see people stop treating snakes like pokemon. I think the reptile community is the only one that condones, if not encourages animals hoarding. How many times do we have to hear Tommy with 200 snakes say that it's okay to keep adult corn snakes in shoe boxes because "they like small spaces"? That isn't healthy for animals or the keepers.

[athms]

Originally Posted by CosmicOwl

There just isn't a demand for morphs of other animals. There are a ton of Black/Texas rat snake morphs that you can easily buy for 40-50 dollars. My Grey rat snake was 35 dollars. Even if I bought one from a small breeder who specializes in North American rat snakes, it would have still only cost around 50-90 bucks. Ball Python morph easily start off at 200-400 dollars. People want the BP morphs because they're expensive and they're expensive because people want them. The only people buying lesser known reptiles are the people who genuinely like them.

Personallly, if there were one thing I could change, I'd like to see people stop treating snakes like pokemon. I think the reptile community is the only one that condones, if not encourages animals hoarding. How many times do we have to hear Tommy with 200 snakes say that it's okay to keep adult corn snakes in shoe boxes because "they like small spaces"? That isn't healthy for animals or the keepers.

Right on

[Aaron_S]

Originally Posted by athms

Ball pythons,leopard geckos,corn snakes,bearded dragons,crested geckos is all people are buying and selling for money. 95% of videos i watch is of a 8 year old that has bought a leopard gecko and is going to start breeding them and i always think "wow your going to make lots of money cause not like your going up against giant breeders". Here is the reptile community.

In it for money-85%
Want to show off-5%
In it for the animals-10%

Why don't people try making morphs of other animals? Like tiger salamanders or green anoles other wise were just going to be stuck in the same cycle.

I haven't read all the posts but this is pretty judgmental.

You apparently know EVERYONE in the reptile and hobby and why they breed. Right it's ALL about money. Get off your high horse and actually talk to those people instead of thinking you know why they do what they do.

People ALWAYS claim the hobby is so negative but what you see online is a FRACTION of the true hobby so climb out of the hole you're in and go live the hobby. Be apart of it instead of talking down to those that you know nothing about.

By the way, you can't breed morphs for just any species until they are brought in to captivity. Go hunt for some anoles and when you find an albino or axanthic or a purple one go and breed it. Don't just tell others how to live THEIR hobby by YOUR standards.

Asshat.

[athms]

Originally Posted by Aaron_S

I haven't read all the posts but this is pretty judgmental.

You apparently know EVERYONE in the reptile and hobby and why they breed. Right it's ALL about money. Get off your high horse and actually talk to those people instead of thinking you know why they do what they do.

People ALWAYS claim the hobby is so negative but what you see online is a FRACTION of the true hobby so climb out of the hole you're in and go live the hobby. Be apart of it instead of talking down to those that you know nothing about.

By the way, you can't breed morphs for just any species until they are brought in to captivity. Go hunt for some anoles and when you find an albino or axanthic or a purple one go and breed it. Don't just tell others how to live THEIR hobby by YOUR standards.

Asshat.

Well yes i have met every single person who has ever owned a reptile and i take pride in that. And if i fell off my high horse i would never hit the ground. And their are a certain few people who have successfully breed tiger salamanders on caudata fourm.

[Aaron_S]

Originally Posted by athms

Well yes i have met every single person who has ever owned a reptile and i take pride in that. And if i fell off my high horse i would never hit the ground. And their are a certain few people who have successfully breed tiger salamanders on caudata fourm.

I never said tiger salamanders can't be bred. Go and read what I wrote. I said you can't just pick any species to breed for morphs because they are uncommon.

You need to have morphs appear before it happens.

My point is simple. It's fine to dislike a part of the hobby. I don't care because it doesn't affect my enjoyment.
It's just really disrespectful and rude to say it's a bad part of the hobby just because you don't like it.

[athms]

Originally Posted by Aaron_S

I never said tiger salamanders can't be bred. Go and read what I wrote. I said you can't just pick any species to breed for morphs because they are uncommon.

You need to have morphs appear before it happens.

My point is simple. It's fine to dislike a part of the hobby. I don't care because it doesn't affect my enjoyment.
It's just really disrespectful and rude to say it's a bad part of the hobby just because you don't like it.

Yeah but you need to start somewhere

[CosmicOwl]

I think it's somewhat silly to pretend that a lot of people aren't getting into snakes for the purpose of breeding them. How often do you run into some 12 year old who has a normal and an amelanistic corn snake and is "working on a breeding project." They probably aren't doing it the money, but they watch SnakebytesTV, or read about the the big breeders and think it's an easy job.
There are plenty of people who are just in the hobby for the snakes, but there are also a lot of people in it for money or attention. The later two are the ones that drive the industry. They're the people with 100 or more snakes, who are constantly buying, trading and breeding.

[formica]

Originally Posted by CosmicOwl

I think it's somewhat silly to pretend that a lot of people aren't getting into snakes for the purpose of breeding them. How often do you run into some 12 year old who has a normal and an amelanistic corn snake and is "working on a breeding project." They probably aren't doing it the money, but they watch SnakebytesTV, or read about the the big breeders and think it's an easy job.
There are plenty of people who are just in the hobby for the snakes, but there are also a lot of people in it for money or attention. The later two are the ones that drive the industry. They're the people with 100 or more snakes, who are constantly buying, trading and breeding.

its the same with all animals tbh, animal welfare/kennels/rescue centers are flooded with animals which have been bred by some ignorant soul thinking they can make a quick bit of cash, or a careless owner who didnt think that neutering/castration mattered, and people who dont bother to research breeding properly

Its a terrible shame, that so many animals lives are reduced to misery for the sake of human ignorance and greed.

[Aaron_S]

Originally Posted by CosmicOwl

I think it's somewhat silly to pretend that a lot of people aren't getting into snakes for the purpose of breeding them. How often do you run into some 12 year old who has a normal and an amelanistic corn snake and is "working on a breeding project." They probably aren't doing it the money, but they watch SnakebytesTV, or read about the the big breeders and think it's an easy job.
There are plenty of people who are just in the hobby for the snakes, but there are also a lot of people in it for money or attention. The later two are the ones that drive the industry. They're the people with 100 or more snakes, who are constantly buying, trading and breeding.

I have been in this hobby for a really long time and I have yet to ever run into some 12 year old with a breeding project.

I do know it's predominant on the internet that people are seen getting into for breeding purposes but that's a minority to the amount of people in the actual hobby.

In fact this very forum is proof of such a fact. Very few people on this forum breed their animals or have goals of such to it.

[Aaron_S]

Originally Posted by athms

Yeah but you need to start somewhere

You make no sense.

[athms]

Originally Posted by Aaron_S

You make no sense.

You need to start somewhere meaning they didn't just find a pied ball python or a anery kenyan sand boa.

[athms]

Originally Posted by Aaron_S

I haven't read all the posts but this is pretty judgmental.

You apparently know EVERYONE in the reptile and hobby and why they breed. Right it's ALL about money. Get off your high horse and actually talk to those people instead of thinking you know why they do what they do.

People ALWAYS claim the hobby is so negative but what you see online is a FRACTION of the true hobby so climb out of the hole you're in and go live the hobby. Be apart of it instead of talking down to those that you know nothing about.

By the way, you can't breed morphs for just any species until they are brought in to captivity. Go hunt for some anoles and when you find an albino or axanthic or a purple one go and breed it. Don't just tell others how to live THEIR hobby by YOUR standards.

Asshat.

OOO yeah and anoles dont live were i am so i guess i will be looking for a long time but you probably knew that since your a expert