Naming your reptiles - Page 6

Skits · 01-21-14, 07:03 PM

I agree with Korbin in some ways. I would see my snakes as my pets, and I would do a lot for them and put money and a lot of time into saving them, but I'd value my family, friends, cats and dogs over them. I would never choose my reptiles over a person by any means but I do love all of them a lot! I just see a cat or a dog more part of a family over something that doesn't show much emotion and isn't constantly around.

**EL Ziggy** · 01-21-14, 07:24 PM

Any sentient being can feel love on some level. I don't love my animals with the expectation or requirement that they love me back.Even without the gift of higher intelligence I'm amazed and fascinated by many animals, especially snakes. My pets are a BIG part of my life, they bring me great joy, and I believe they deserve to be called by a unique name rather than just being "it's".

psychocircus · 01-21-14, 07:40 PM

I have a tough time naming my snakes. I'll usually just say "albino brooks kingsnake" or "male Brazilian rainbow boa".

However, my tegu has a lot more "personality" and the interactions with him are much different than with my snakes. He is named.

Mikoh4792 · 01-21-14, 08:16 PM

El Ziggy you are saying snakes can feel love?

red ink · 01-21-14, 08:30 PM

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Originally Posted by marvelfreak

I am I the only one that names the different voices in their head?

Is it weird that I hear the voices in your head?

I feel like such a voyeur sometimes... makes me feel all tingly inside

marvelfreak · 01-21-14, 10:11 PM

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Is it weird that I hear the voices in your head?

I feel like such a voyeur sometimes... makes me feel all tingly inside

It not weird at all. As loud as they are it doesn't surprise you can hear them half way around the world. They do tend to get me in trouble quite a bit. I really need to stop listening to them but what fun would that be? They have all kinds of fun and crazy idea for me to do to get on people nerves.

**EL Ziggy** · 01-21-14, 10:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Mikoh4792

El Ziggy you are saying snakes can feel love?

They may not define it as love but that's what it is. It's the caring energy that we extend to them. They just feel safe/secure and full

KORBIN5895 · 01-22-14, 03:49 AM

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Originally Posted by CK SandBoas

Well........duhhhh!!! Also I like to say i'm a few fries short of a happy meal

All I got was the toy

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Originally Posted by EL-Ziggy

Any sentient being can feel love on some level. I don't love my animals with the expectation or requirement that they love me back.Even without the gift of higher intelligence I'm amazed and fascinated by many animals, especially snakes. My pets are a BIG part of my life, they bring me great joy, and I believe they deserve to be called by a unique name rather than just being "it's".

I like you but you are WEIRD!

I'm not against people naming pets.

Mikoh4792 · 01-22-14, 04:55 AM

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Originally Posted by EL-Ziggy

They may not define it as love but that's what it is. It's the caring energy that we extend to them. They just feel safe/secure and full

And how can you know this other than the fact that this is what you interpret their behavior to be?(Similar to when a girl looks a guy, and he's so full of himself that he takes it as flirting....)

KORBIN5895 · 01-22-14, 05:33 AM

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And how can you know this other than the fact that this is what you interpret their behavior to be?(Similar to when a girl looks a guy, and he's so full of himself that he takes it as flirting....)

It's based on his personal belief system. I am not sure of what exactly he believes but I have read up enough on enough of them that I understand what he is saying. I can respect that.

Mikoh4792 · 01-22-14, 05:49 AM

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Originally Posted by KORBIN5895

It's based on his personal belief system. I am not sure of what exactly he believes but I have read up enough on enough of them that I understand what he is saying. I can respect that.

I don't know what his beliefs about this matter are, so I'd like to see how he can back up his claim that snakes feel "love" in his definition.

Personal beliefs are fine, so long as you don't pass them off as fact. Then you'll need to prove them.

**EL Ziggy** · 01-22-14, 08:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Mikoh4792

I don't know what his beliefs about this matter are, so I'd like to see how he can back up his claim that snakes feel "love" in his definition.

Personal beliefs are fine, so long as you don't pass them off as fact. Then you'll need to prove them.

Can I 'scientifically prove' that the force of love exists and can be transferred and felt between beings? NO. Do I believe that snakes, and most animals, can tactically and instinctively sense whether they are in danger or if they are safe, secure and cared for? YES. I believe this strongly enough to say I know. Could I be wrong? Of course. It doesn't matter to me if they 'feel' my love. I give it to them unconditionally because I want them to be happy, healthy, whole and well. The same wish I have for everyone and everything everywhere.

Mikoh4792 · 01-22-14, 09:14 AM

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Originally Posted by EL-Ziggy

Can I 'scientifically prove' that the force of love exists and can be transferred and felt between beings?

I agree that even amongst human beings you can't scientifically prove that we feel love from another person. However at least we can say we do. At least individually we can "feel" something when we think of loved one. Although it's not scientific proof, it's still forms of evidences via facial expressions, glimpses in the eye....etc. Snakes don't have this capability. To say that they feel the love we have for them is mere wishful thinking.

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Do I believe that snakes, and most animals, can tactically and instinctively sense whether they are in danger or if they are safe, secure and cared for? YES. I believe this strongly enough to say I know. Could I be wrong? Of course. It doesn't matter to me if they 'feel' my love. I give it to them unconditionally because I want them to be happy, healthy, whole and well. The same wish I have for everyone and everything everywhere.

If you want to distort the word love to define instinctively feeling a sense of security then so be it, but that's the wrong use of the word.

You say that all sentient beings can feel love, and they feel "full" from our love. How is that the same as just feeling a sense of security/safety?

**Pareeeee** · 01-22-14, 09:20 AM

Seriously though, I think we should get back on topic before a religious debate begins and people get in deep doo-doo. :/

I don't believe snakes have 'feelings' per-se either, but this thread is about reptile names not reptile feelings.

Just a suggestion....

**EL Ziggy** · 01-22-14, 09:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Mikoh4792

I agree that even amongst human beings you can't scientifically prove that we feel love from another person. However at least we can say we do. At least individually we can "feel" something when we think of loved one. Although it's not scientific proof, it's still forms of evidences via facial expressions, glimpses in the eye....etc. Snakes don't have this capability. To say that they feel the love we have for them is mere wishful thinking.

If you want to distort the word love to define instinctively feeling a sense of security then so be it, but that's the wrong use of the word.

So define love for me Mikoh. Is it a feeling, a force, action, or just a word that different people attach different meanings to? My snakes can't tell me that they feel safe, or that they feel anything at all. But they show me they feel safe to some extent by eventually not biting me or trying to constantly run away from me once I've established a sense of 'trust' and they no longer feel/think/believe that I'm a giant predator that's going to eat them. They also show me that they feel safe/secure by thriving and growing well because they're in a relatively stress free environment which should make any animal 'happy'.