I need help! snake vs mouse

**Aaron_S** · 10-04-13, 04:20 PM

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Originally Posted by GotsaQuestion

I don't think value, personal or financial is relevant. It's still a living animal, even being a $15 normal. She could at the very very least, keep the mouse from scratching or biting. I always use tongs to hold the feet of any live prey I feed, and I only feed live if 1,000,000,000% unavoidable. I just made a DIY Gas chamber. Shouldn't ever have to feed live again.

It's okay to feed live. What isn't okay is to be cruel and hold prey items like that. It's a slight step down from the people who have said pull the teeth or claws out prior to feeding the rat off.

Feeding live isn't trouble. Very rarely does a snake actually get harmed. It's usually only harmed if they are left in for a prolonged period of time.

Awaiting Abyss · 10-04-13, 04:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Aaron_S

You're far off.

I find mice and rats go up and sniff the snake. Sometimes even the face and then they get eaten. These prey items are born and raised in captivity for generations. They don't know what a predator is or to be afraid of anything.

Rodents have instincts. They know what to fear and what not to. I've owned, watched and studied various rodents since I was a small child. I noticed a change in mine when I brought the snake into their room. They eventually got used to the new addition since they realized it was not going to harm them. They reacted the same when I first got indoor cats.

**Aaron_S** · 10-04-13, 05:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Awaiting Abyss

Rodents have instincts. They know what to fear and what not to. I've owned, watched and studied various rodents since I was a small child. I noticed a change in mine when I brought the snake into their room. They eventually got used to the new addition since they realized it was not going to harm them. They reacted the same when I first got indoor cats.

You the difference between your experience and my experience? The dozens upon dozens of snakes I've fed live prey items to.

Awaiting Abyss · 10-04-13, 05:54 PM

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You the difference between your experience and my experience? The dozens upon dozens of snakes I've fed live prey items to.

I'm not fully understanding what you wrote, but why the rude tone?

**Aaron_S** · 10-04-13, 06:00 PM

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I'm not fully understanding what you wrote, but why the rude tone?

You don't understand what I wrote?

I said I've experienced a LOT of prey items not looking at snakes as predators and disregarding them as such until it's too late. It goes against everything you said about them feeling trapped and fighting.

In fact, I have never seen one actually fight.

For the record, my preference is f/t and I strive to ensure all my snakes eat that but one every once in awhile is a chump and won't eat f/t. Also, all my babies start on live.

ErikBush97 · 10-10-13, 04:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Aaron_S

You don't understand what I wrote?

I said I've experienced a LOT of prey items not looking at snakes as predators and disregarding them as such until it's too late. It goes against everything you said about them feeling trapped and fighting.

In fact, I have never seen one actually fight.

For the record, my preference is f/t and I strive to ensure all my snakes eat that but one every once in awhile is a chump and won't eat f/t. Also, all my babies start on live.

Almost every time I have seen a snake being fed live, in person and in videos, the prey always hyperventilates and I've actually seen quite a few jump above, behind, and a few times AT the snake. I have only seen a few prey items that didn't seem aware of the snake being a predator. I do understand that some snakes refuse F/T but before her video of her snake eating said live meal, she had fed him about six F/T meals. She did this for.fun or something, I guess?

ErikBush97 · 10-04-13, 05:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Aaron_S

It's okay to feed live. What isn't okay is to be cruel and hold prey items like that. It's a slight step down from the people who have said pull the teeth or claws out prior to feeding the rat off.

Feeding live isn't trouble. Very rarely does a snake actually get harmed. It's usually only harmed if they are left in for a prolonged period of time.

One of my Boas has scabs and scars all over her face from her previous owner feeding live. Just for example. Feeding live is fine if it's done responsibly, but she's failing to do so.

**Aaron_S** · 10-04-13, 05:49 PM

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One of my Boas has scabs and scars all over her face from her previous owner feeding live. Just for example. Feeding live is fine if it's done responsibly, but she's failing to do so.

Did you read the last sentence I wrote?

I have not seen this video you speak of so I can't comment on that particular instance.